UHD Review A Few Words About A few words about...™ The Good, the Bad and the Ugly-- in 4k UHD Blu-ray (1 Viewer)

[Tommy R]

I wonder why I have an Estimated Delivery date range of May 12-June 2 on Amazon. Isn't the street date this Tuesday? I hate when they do this.

Mine says July 18th. Lol!

 

[Angelo Colombus]

My order says May 7 - May 12.

 

[Jeff Brooks]

Our copy is arriving today from Best Buy! I am finding more and more I can count on them to get new releases to me on time. Amazon has lost most of my new release business.

 

[Tino]

Our copy is arriving today from Best Buy! I am finding more and more I can count on them to get new releases to me on time. Amazon has lost most of my new release business.

Ditto

 

[cineMANIAC]

Cancelled and ordered from Best Buy. To heck with Amazon and their delays

 

[PMF]

Edited by PMF

 

[Lil Brutto]

Check out the podcast, hosted by Devan Scott & Will Ross of Film Formally, which talks about the history of home releases of this film and some info on the upcoming Kino UHD release:

http://sadhillmedia.com/filmformally/s3e10-gbu

A news article that highlights Will & Devan’s efforts to preserve the International Cut caught the attention of Kino who contacted them, and they put Kino’s people in touch with knowledgeable fans to help out with KL's restoration of the International Cut using the MGM/L’Immagine Ritrovata 4K master available to them and filling in some spots with 35mm scans.

Here’s the link to their National Post article:

https://nationalpost.com/entertainm...-the-ugly-without-permission-or-authorization

You can find a wealth of info about the history of home releases and their issues here:

Current issues with "The Good, the Bad, and the Ugly" on home video - PART 1

Translated excerpt from "Conversations Avec Sergio Leone (french book)" : SERGIO LEONE: I supervised dubbing in English and French ,...

theeditroomfloor.blogspot.com

 

[Carl David]

A Fistful of Dollars has a really solid 2007 restoration by Ripley's FIlm that's available in Italy and Germany. I own the German release that was a two-pack with For a Few Dollars More (which uses the MGM transfer). I don't recall if it's Region locked though. The Kino disc is from a newer restoration by L'Immagine Ritrovata. Detail is good but colors are a nuked green/yellow like their TGTB&TU restoration. Maybe Kino can do something about this if they release a 4K version.

The Kino disc of For a Few Dollars More is very good and I recommend it. The MGM transfer looks far too over-sharpened and I find it unpleasant in motion, but it may have a bit more footage.

Thanks.
Might get A few Dollars More by Kino and wait for a possible 4k release of A Fistful Of Dollars.

 

[tenia]

All these color gradings changes raise a question to me : do we know how the color corrections performed for the new Kino release have been supervised, what was the technical workflow for those ?
Was it entirely done outside of Ritrovata ? Did Kino went back upstream with Ritrovata before the grading stage and re-did stuff with them ? If so, what was then requested as a target ? If not, what did Kino as a reference to match ? Were they looking at matching a reference or only removing Ritrovata's color stamp ?

I'm asking because I know Ritrovata is working on dialing down their stamp, and I wonder if that might have been the opportunity for them to revise their color grading for the movie.

 

[Jordan Krug]

All these color gradings changes raise a question to me : do we know how the color corrections performed for the new Kino release have been supervised, what was the technical workflow for those ?
Was it entirely done outside of Ritrovata ? Did Kino went back upstream with Ritrovata before the grading stage and re-did stuff with them ? If so, what was then requested as a target ? If not, what did Kino as a reference to match ? Were they looking at matching a reference or only removing Ritrovata's color stamp ?

I'm asking because I know Ritrovata is working on dialing down their stamp, and I wonder if that might have been the opportunity for them to revise their color grading for the movie.

Kino had to work from Ritrovata's already corrected master (the yellow/green version). I've been told that they attempted to get the pregraded scans but were denied.

 

[tenia]

Thanks, that's precisely what I wondered regarding this part of the workflow. I guess the question now is what Kino aimed to do with this new grading : matching a reference (if so, which one ?) or simply eliminating the color stamp.

 

[Robert Harris]

Very difficult to match a reference with color baked in.

 

[Bartman]

Here's a comparison video of all 3 blu-ray releases so far. 2017 looks to be the best of the 3 as 2008 is too yellow looking and 2021 is too dark.

I have a couple of questions:
1. I have the restored extended version from 2009 (as stated on the cover). I assume it has the same problems as the 2008. Can the problems be corrected at the TV by a change of settings?
1. Does anyone know the provenance of (or can comment on) the 4K version streaming at Amazon Prime?
Thanks in advance.

 

[Robert Harris]

I have a couple of questions:
1. I have the restored extended version from 2009 (as stated on the cover). I assume it has the same problems as the 2008. Can the problems be corrected at the TV by a change of settings?
1. Does anyone know the provenance of (or can comment on) the 4K version streaming at Amazon Prime?
Thanks in advance.

If that comparison down-rezzes well, and is truly representative, I see the new KL 4k as the absolute winner. Most viewers will take the slight black crush in stride. It's hands down far better than the others.

 

[Dave H]

I revisited some of the 2014 MGM disc last night. Aside from the notorious color issues, the compression seemed less-than-tight too. Looking forward to the Kino release.

 

[Bartman]

If that comparison down-rezzes well, and is truly representative, I see the new KL 4k as the absolute winner. Most viewers will take the slight black crush in stride. It's hands down far better than the others.

Thanks, in that case, I'll wait for the KL 2021 to be released as a regular Blu-ray (I'd accept a gift, too). I don't have a 4K player and don't dare buy one for fear of upgraditis. I've been thru four home video cycles (VHS, laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray) and can no longer justify another cycle.

 

[cineMANIAC]

I like what I'm seeing in that comparison video. Judging by that, the 2021 KL 4K looks fantastic IMO. If the actual disc looks as good as that video, we're in for a treat.

 

[Chewbabka]

Thanks, in that case, I'll wait for the KL 2021 to be released as a regular Blu-ray (I'd accept a gift, too). I don't have a 4K player and don't dare buy one for fear of upgraditis. I've been thru four home video cycles (VHS, laserdisc, DVD, Blu-ray) and can no longer justify another cycle.

it has a regular Blu in the package. Since they already have a blu edition of this movie, i doubt it will get another one

 

[Robert Harris]

it has a regular Blu in the package. Since they already have a blu edition of this movie, i doubt it will get another one

The new blu matches the new 4k

 

[Bartman]

The new blu matches the new 4k

Thanks, it seems I'll have to wait for TGTB&TU and 2001: A Space Odyssey 4K UHDs to go on sale to get the Blu-rays!