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#1 of 14 fresh101

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Posted February 21 2012 - 11:04 AM

Hello Everyone, I am looking for the best quality sound speaker (woofers, tweeter and etc) to build my own home surround system. I was looking into the Usher 8836AC woofers but they are 7" and require 1cu ft of enclosure and for my purpose I cannot use this. I need something similar or better but that does not require that much of enclosure space, as I want to mount them on the wall next to the screen and underneath. The use of this system will be for 60% Movies, 30% Music & 10% Gaming. Please give me your suggestion on other speakers you recommend that will sound fabulous. Thanks in advance

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Posted February 21 2012 - 10:46 PM

best quality sound speaker (woofers, tweeter and etc)

Best quality parts will not always give you the best sound if you can't integrate them together properly. Are you designing your own crossover? For people just starting out building speakers I always suggest going with a proven design. Based on your requirements, you need small enclosures (How small?) that will be wall mounted. What is your budget for parts?

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Posted February 22 2012 - 03:52 AM

Agreed. If you've never built a speaker before, "fabulous sounding" isn't likely going to be easy to achieve on the first try. I'd go with a small speaker kit or buy something already built. What is the budget?
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Posted February 22 2012 - 04:06 AM

best quality sound speaker (woofers, tweeter and etc)

Best quality parts will not always give you the best sound if you can't integrate them together properly. Are you designing your own crossover? For people just starting out building speakers I always suggest going with a proven design. Based on your requirements, you need small enclosures (How small?) that will be wall mounted. What is your budget for parts?

I have $2000 to spend for parts if it's something I can do for myself. I am pretty good with wood working, but don't know much about sound as just to plug,. connect and go. I have setup and install car audio but just the basic and nothing to do with crossover. I would like for someone to build me the XO or if it's something I can do by providing instruction then I am pretty sure I can manage. In other words if clear instruction is provided, I can do about anything. Small Size, somewhere about: 34" H x 6" W x 4" D

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Posted February 22 2012 - 04:15 AM

Agreed. If you've never built a speaker before, "fabulous sounding" isn't likely going to be easy to achieve on the first try. I'd go with a small speaker kit or buy something already built. What is the budget?

Well, building a cabinet that the speaker should go into, would not be a problem for me to do given all the specs and info of the speakers, now building a crossover for them is a different story, as I never done that. My budget is $2000 for parts or atleast just some good front speakers and a sub. thanks

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Posted February 22 2012 - 04:16 AM

Building a x-over isn't hard, it is the DESIGN portion that can get tricky. If you don't have gear to measure what the speakers are doing in conjunction with the x-over, then you would just be guessing. Buy a kit which consists of already selected drivers and a crossover built to suit them and build your own enclosures for them. Some places to start: http://www.madisound.com/kits/ www.partsexpress.com (look up speaker kits, there's a D'Applolito designed Usher kit there that is supposed to be good) http://gr-research.com/diykits.aspx (as you can see in my sig, I like these :) )
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Posted February 22 2012 - 07:13 AM

Small Size, somewhere about: 34" H x 6" W x 4" D

4" depth is tough. Here's what I have planned - http://www.parts-exp...eaker-projects/ (sort with oldest projects first and find the Dayton Home Theater). I have plans for the MTM version. I'm going to build them about 6.5" wide, 48" tall and only as deep as needed. Total price is about $125 each for parts.

My budget is $2000 for parts or atleast just some good front speakers and a sub. thanks

There's also an on-wall version of the Natalie P speaker. http://www.htguide.c...ad.php4?t=22626 for the specific crossover design. It's a little wider than you wanted.

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Posted February 22 2012 - 08:36 AM

Just a quick note too, in-/on-wall is one of those things that really aren't among the best things to do for your sound. If you can avoid it, I would highly recommend that you do. If you must, here are some to consider that are already built: http://axiomaudio.co...llspeakers.html There are a number of other companies that offer speakers like this as well, that was just the first one I thought of due to size. I think a well planned DIY will offer better performance vs. price than probably all of those though.
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Posted February 22 2012 - 04:15 PM

Just a quick note too, in-/on-wall is one of those things that really aren't among the best things to do for your sound. If you can avoid it, I would highly recommend that you do. If you must, here are some to consider that are already built: http://axiomaudio.co...llspeakers.html There are a number of other companies that offer speakers like this as well, that was just the first one I thought of due to size. I think a well planned DIY will offer better performance vs. price than probably all of those though.

How about if we forget about the on wall stuff and concentrate on good loud quality sound front speakers. Budget is $2000 only for the L/C/R speakers, sub I will worry about it later. I want this speaker to be for 50% movies, 40% music and 10% gaming and believe me, I like it loud.

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Posted February 22 2012 - 10:59 PM

I want this speaker to be for 50% movies, 40% music and 10% gaming

Why not say, I want this speaker to be accurate? A properly designed speaker should reproduce whatever signal is fed into it. Are you still wanting to go DIY? L/C/R and a sub? What receiver do you have? Can it drive a 4 ohm load?

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Posted February 23 2012 - 12:20 AM

I want this speaker to be for 50% movies, 40% music and 10% gaming

Why not say, I want this speaker to be accurate? A properly designed speaker should reproduce whatever signal is fed into it. Are you still wanting to go DIY? L/C/R and a sub? What receiver do you have? Can it drive a 4 ohm load?

$2000 budget, will be just for L/C/R speaker, no sub. It doesn't have to be DIY, and I will buy the receiver after I get the speakers.

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Posted February 23 2012 - 01:33 AM

You are going to have to narrow things down. Towers or bookshelf models? What speakers have you auditioned? There are thousands of options at your price range.

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Posted February 23 2012 - 03:59 AM

You are going to have to narrow things down. Towers or bookshelf models? What speakers have you auditioned? There are thousands of options at your price range.

I have seen the Definitive Mythos Ten and the Mythos XTR-50 L/R, XTR-60 C and XTR-20 for the REAR Also seen the Dayton Audio UA721 with Usher 8836AC Woofers for L/C/R & I definitely like the Dayton Audio RS1202K dual 12" sub to be included in my system but it will not be in the $2000 budget.

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Posted February 23 2012 - 06:15 AM

Def Tech makes great speakers. Those Dayton kits will probably sound great as well since Joseph D. designed them. I have a DIII for the center and I'm building 2 more for L & R speakers - http://www.parts-exp...dayton_iii.html I'd go with an Epik Empire over the Dayton kit - http://www.epiksubwo...com/empire.html