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#101 of 312 OFFLINE   Neil Brock

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Posted July 08 2013 - 05:27 AM

Unfortunately, I think Frank is probably right. This is no country for old men and women.

 

If the DVD had been invented and the craze hit in the 70s, we would have seen all of the 1950s shows. And then add a decade onto both. While those of us who were already in our 30s have no use or even knowledge of many of the 90s dopey and poorly produced Nick or network Saturday morning series, there's a whole generation that grew up with them and has the same fondness for them as many here have for all of the really bad Hanna Barbera 70s cartoons. Difference is that the kids from the 90s are now in their 30s and probably out buy those of us in our 50s by a 10 to 1 margin.



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Posted July 08 2013 - 06:31 AM

If the DVD had been invented and the craze hit in the 70s, we would have seen all of the 1950s shows. And then add a decade onto both. While those of us who were already in our 30s have no use or even knowledge of many of the 90s dopey and poorly produced Nick or network Saturday morning series, there's a whole generation that grew up with them and has the same fondness for them as many here have for all of the really bad Hanna Barbera 70s cartoons. Difference is that the kids from the 90s are now in their 30s and probably out buy those of us in our 50s by a 10 to 1 margin.

Exactly right. This is why... to use the name of another thread, "the b/w era is slowly coming to an end." It is depressing but those of us older than 40 are not the desired demographic anymore. Neil is completing correct too that these 30 somethings are probably out buying us by a wide margin. This is why when people start screaming for Bilko or My Little Margie, I tell them don't hold your breath. You are far more likely to see the late 80's-early 90's stuff come out in the next few years rather than 50's, 60's, 70's, and even early 80's stuff. For us old timers, the classic boom is about over. Time to make room for the young guys.



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Posted July 08 2013 - 06:33 AM

I'm thinking this is probably another demographic issue. While we Ironside and Mr. Ed fans are an older demographic, the kids who grew up with these early 90's Nick shows are 30 somethings now. I think that's the demographic they are looking to appeal to as opposed to us

 

Perhaps there may be something to this line of argument of a "20 years later" nostalgia revival of pop culture, where thirtysomethings pine for stuff from their pre-teen/teenage years.

 

In hindsight, the heydays of tv on dvd during the mid-late 2000's just happened to coincide with then-thirtysomethings customers looking for 1980's nostalgia from their youth.  The type of tv shows which could have appealed to pre-teen/teenage guys during the 1980's, just happened to be popular shows which had all (or almost all) of their seasons quickly released during that mid-2000's heyday of tv on dvd.

 

ie. 1980's tv shows like:

 

- Knight Rider

- The A-Team

- Magnum PI

- MacGyver

- Miami Vice

- The Incredible Hulk

- Dukes of Hazzard

 

This may very well have been a "perfect storm" of the movie companies seeing a huge demand for "non cult" tv shows on dvd, combined with then-thirtysomething nostalgia for 1980's popular culture.



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Posted July 08 2013 - 06:41 AM

While those of us who were already in our 30s have no use or even knowledge of many of the 90s dopey and poorly produced Nick or network Saturday morning series, there's a whole generation that grew up with them and has the same fondness for them as many here have for all of the really bad Hanna Barbera 70s cartoons. Difference is that the kids from the 90s are now in their 30s and probably out buy those of us in our 50s by a 10 to 1 margin.

 

How much of this market for dopey 90's cartoon nostalgia has been superseded by streaming services like netflix, amazon, etc ...?

 

Do today's thirtysomethings prefer to watch such 90's stuff via Netflix or amazon, instead of buying the dvd/bluray?



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Posted July 08 2013 - 07:08 AM

Neil, you mentioned a problem with elements being the main reason Love, American Style has been put on the backburner.

 

Why would Paramount preserve the original masters for some episodes, but not for others?



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Posted July 08 2013 - 09:06 AM

Is The Facts of Life another possibility for a complete set? I don't know if its considered mainstream but 5 seasons have already been released, so just 4 more seasons left to go.

Shout have stated they actually lost money on Season 5 and Sony has gone on record stating the music clearances in Seasons 6-9 of Facts are problematic. I would really be surprised if this one came to be; the same goes for Maude. But stranger things have happened. Both shows have big and vocal fanbases who have been pestering Shout Factory for more releases for years.


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Posted July 08 2013 - 04:31 PM

I just wish Shout! Factory would finish the final season of "Rhoda", and start/complete "Phyllis" (with Cloris Leachman) and Warner Brothers "The Drew Carey Show". I know these are just pipe dreams, but I wish Shout! could get the rights.....they do a fine job by me!!!  :)

If you get ME-TV in your area, it premieres tonight, RHODA that is, at 8:30 PM CT/9:30 PM ET



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Posted July 08 2013 - 04:52 PM

How much of this market for dopey 90's cartoon nostalgia has been superseded by streaming services like netflix, amazon, etc ...?

 

Do today's thirtysomethings prefer to watch such 90's stuff via Netflix or amazon, instead of buying the dvd/bluray?

I don't know about that group as a whole but my daughter (33) purchases a *few* TVonDVD on occasion.  It tends to be mostly Fraggle Rock and Smurfs.  I'm sure there are others but she doesn't mention them if there are.  She doesn't stream at all but has Dish Network at home.  My son (31) likewise purchases TVonDVD occasionally.  His is Boy Meets World and He-Man. He's into "clutter reduction" and streams almost everything.  He does not have cable/satellite and relies on the few local OTA stations in his area coupled with Netflix and Redbox for his entertainment needs.  He has no interest in "ownership" of either physical *or* digital copies and is fully content to make *rare* physical purchases and mostly streaming.


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Posted July 08 2013 - 06:04 PM

If you get ME-TV in your area, it premieres tonight, RHODA that is, at 8:30 PM CT/9:30 PM ET

 

I didn't catch the entire premier episode tonight on MeTV, but I did catch the ending credits. They showed the original ending credits with the Airport guys and Mary Tyler Moore. So, did they actually show the original opening with Mary? Were there any scenes shown other than the one with Mary that wasn't on the DVD set?


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Posted July 12 2013 - 07:04 AM

I don't know about that group as a whole but my daughter (33) purchases a *few* TVonDVD on occasion.  It tends to be mostly Fraggle Rock and Smurfs.  I'm sure there are others but she doesn't mention them if there are.  She doesn't stream at all but has Dish Network at home.  My son (31) likewise purchases TVonDVD occasionally.  His is Boy Meets World and He-Man. He's into "clutter reduction" and streams almost everything.  He does not have cable/satellite and relies on the few local OTA stations in his area coupled with Netflix and Redbox for his entertainment needs.  He has no interest in "ownership" of either physical *or* digital copies and is fully content to make *rare* physical purchases and mostly streaming.

Its funny how things change. I love having physical media, be it my CDs, records, tapes or DVDs. For me, its first the challenge of collecting the material, especially the things that take years of patience and ingenuity to acquire and secondly, being able to watch or listen to whatever I'm in the mood for, whatever or whenever. But, hey, everybody has their priorities and what they choose to spend their money on. Different courses for different horses.



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Posted July 12 2013 - 07:58 AM

If the DVD had been invented and the craze hit in the 70s, we would have seen all of the 1950s shows. And then add a decade onto both.

 

Hard to say whether something like this would have happened.

 

As a close analogy, one could look back and see whether there was ever a "tv on vhs" (or betamax) era.

 

 

During the 1980's and 1990's, there were numerous releases of various Star Trek franchise episodes officially released on VHS/betamax by Paramount.  (Also on laserdisc and the short-lived CED videodisc format).

 

http://en.memory-alp...eries_(Betamax)

http://en.memory-alp...al_Series_(VHS)

http://en.memory-alp...ies_(LaserDisc)

http://en.memory-alp...al_Series_(CED)

 

 

For other tv shows, it's difficult to find any reliable information online.  Though using amazon, there are listings for episodes on VHS for tv shows like Battlestar Galactica, I Love Lucy, Dragnet, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, The Beverly Hillbillies, etc ...  Most of these are listed with 1990's release dates, and a few from the late 1980's.

 

For better information on earlier vhs/beta releases (if they exist), one would probably have to find some older vhs/beta catalogs from the 1980's or late-1970's.



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Posted July 12 2013 - 05:30 PM

And you also had those Columbia House VHS tapes of certain shows that came out many a year ago, that somewhat passed for a complete series, even though they weren't really complete, just like TL had for The Muppet Show, as we're still waiting for Disney to release the last two seasons of that program.



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Posted July 12 2013 - 06:42 PM

Hard to say whether something like this would have happened.

 

As a close analogy, one could look back and see whether there was ever a "tv on vhs" (or betamax) era.

 

 

During the 1980's and 1990's, there were numerous releases of various Star Trek franchise episodes officially released on VHS/betamax by Paramount.  (Also on laserdisc and the short-lived CED videodisc format).

 

http://en.memory-alp...eries_(Betamax)

http://en.memory-alp...al_Series_(VHS)

http://en.memory-alp...ies_(LaserDisc)

http://en.memory-alp...al_Series_(CED)

 

 

For other tv shows, it's difficult to find any reliable information online.  Though using amazon, there are listings for episodes on VHS for tv shows like Battlestar Galactica, I Love Lucy, Dragnet, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, The Beverly Hillbillies, etc ...  Most of these are listed with 1990's release dates, and a few from the late 1980's.

 

For better information on earlier vhs/beta releases (if they exist), one would probably have to find some older vhs/beta catalogs from the 1980's or late-1970's.

I have the entire Columbia House output of the Hillbillies. There are enough color episodes to do 3 full DVD's @ 4 hours and probably another one (if I remember right) of 2 hours.


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Posted July 13 2013 - 05:33 AM

Its funny how things change. I love having physical media, be it my CDs, records, tapes or DVDs. For me, its first the challenge of collecting the material, especially the things that take years of patience and ingenuity to acquire and secondly, being able to watch or listen to whatever I'm in the mood for, whatever or whenever. But, hey, everybody has their priorities and what they choose to spend their money on. Different courses for different horses.

If I didn't know better I'd have sworn I posted that! :D  It's my mentality exactly and has been since I started collecting books and records at the ripe age of 16.  I'm fortunate that my wife fully understands.  She gives me grief every time I make a purchase but she understands. :)



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Posted July 13 2013 - 05:37 AM

I have the entire Columbia House output of the Hillbillies.

 

Doing some more googling, it appears Columbia House released quite a few tv shows on vhs back in the 1990's.

 

- Airwolf

- All In The Family

- Cheers

- CHiPs

- Dallas

- Hogan's Heroes

- Knight Rider

- Lost In Space

- M*A*S*H

- Maverick

- Miami Vice

- Mission Impossible

- Night Gallery

- Sanford and Son

- Wonder Woman

 

Some tv shows on laserdisc listed on lddb.com:

 

http://www.lddb.com/...h=*&category=34

 

 

It appears "tv on vhs" and laserdisc, were both highly niche markets back in the 1980's and 1990's.

 

Personally, I wasn't even aware of Columbia House's "tv on vhs" catalog during the 1990's.  Back then, I only ever heard of Star Trek and X-Files being released on vhs or laserdisc.  (This was largely due to a friend who was a hardcore fan of both Star Trek and X-Files, who had many of these episodes on laserdisc.  Sometimes we watched Star Trek on laserdisc at his place).


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Posted July 13 2013 - 05:42 AM

Hard to say whether something like this would have happened.

 

As a close analogy, one could look back and see whether there was ever a "tv on vhs" (or betamax) era.

 

 

During the 1980's and 1990's, there were numerous releases of various Star Trek franchise episodes officially released on VHS/betamax by Paramount.  (Also on laserdisc and the short-lived CED videodisc format).

 

http://en.memory-alp...eries_(Betamax)

http://en.memory-alp...al_Series_(VHS)

http://en.memory-alp...ies_(LaserDisc)

http://en.memory-alp...al_Series_(CED)

 

 

For other tv shows, it's difficult to find any reliable information online.  Though using amazon, there are listings for episodes on VHS for tv shows like Battlestar Galactica, I Love Lucy, Dragnet, Bonanza, Gunsmoke, The Beverly Hillbillies, etc ...  Most of these are listed with 1990's release dates, and a few from the late 1980's.

 

For better information on earlier vhs/beta releases (if they exist), one would probably have to find some older vhs/beta catalogs from the 1980's or late-1970's.

I think it would have happened.  IMHO video tape didn't take off like DVDs because they were bulky, expensive, and easily damaged.  Sure I knew people with large libraries but most taped off TV (which is what I did) because purchasing video tape releases tended to be very cost prohibitive.  One guy I knew had a massive library but he rented and copied the rental for his library because it was less than half the cost of purchasing directly.  The *only* manufactured tapes of TV product I purchased was Star Trek: TOS and it was not cheap.  I try not to think about how much those 3 seasons cost on video tape.  I picked up a few other manufactured videos but it was mostly for much loved films and can be counted on 2 hands.  Most people I knew then had at most a dozen purchased movies with the majority of their library being taped off TV.



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Posted July 13 2013 - 05:50 AM

It appears "tv on vhs" and laserdisc, both appeared to be highly niche markets back in the 1980's and 1990's.

 

Personally, I wasn't even aware of Columbia House's "tv on vhs" catalog during the 1990's.

 

Back then, I only ever heard of Star Trek and X-Files being released on vhs or laserdisc.  (This is largely due to a friend who was a hardcore fan of both Star Trek and X-Files, who had many of these episodes on laserdisc).

Yes, very much niche.  I got those catalogs but couldn't justify the ~$18 per tape for the series.  Keep in mind a half hour series had 4 episodes per tape and an hour series had 2.  It could get quite pricey.  The first Star Trek release by CH was the same individual tapes that Paramount sold at retail.  You got 2 tapes per month with a price structure as if both episodes were on a single tape - ~$22 after shipping - ~$900 for the full series!  You can see why I don't like to think about it much.  In a second cycle they changed it to 2 episodes per tape.  That's also how they released Star Trek: The Next Generation with that service.



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Posted July 13 2013 - 05:54 AM

I love having physical media, be it my CDs, records, tapes or DVDs. For me, its first the challenge of collecting the material, especially the things that take years of patience and ingenuity to acquire and secondly, being able to watch or listen to whatever I'm in the mood for, whatever or whenever.

 

I can only attribute my interest in owning physical media, largely due to inertia and being "mentally indoctrinated" in the notion of buying audio and/or video on a physical disc (or tape).  (ie.  I'm too "brain damaged" to think differently).  ;)

 

I suppose I may think differently about this, if I was 10 or 20 years younger.  (Hypothetically).



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Posted July 13 2013 - 06:01 AM

Yes, very much niche.  I got those catalogs but couldn't justify the ~$18 per tape for the series.  Keep in mind a half hour series had 4 episodes per tape and an hour series had 2.  It could get quite pricey.  The first Star Trek release by CH was the same individual tapes that Paramount sold at retail.  You got 2 tapes per month with a price structure as if both episodes were on a single tape - ~$22 after shipping - ~$900 for the full series!  You can see why I don't like to think about it much.  In a second cycle they changed it to 2 episodes per tape.  That's also how they released Star Trek: The Next Generation with that service.

 

 

The pricing sounds a bit like the first Star Trek: TOS releases on dvd, back in 1999-2001.  IIRC, each dvd set had two episodes for $20 a pop (or more).

 

http://www.tvshowson.../Star-Trek/3971

 

Back then, I thought about picking up these 2-episode ST:TOS dvds.  But after coming to a realization of the sticker shock, it didn't look very attractive anymore.  (ie. 40 dvds at $20 a pop = $800).  So I didn't bother buying any of them.



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Posted July 13 2013 - 06:26 AM

Rather than buying pre-recorded VHS tapes, I spent my money in the hobby on purchasing film prints of TV shows. I wasn't all that interested in purchasing tapes of "common" series. It was more interesting to me to buy episodes of shows that it was highly unlikely would ever be aired again. Of course with the cable explosion in the 80s and then the DVD boom in the 00s, some of those choices turned out to be faulty as well. The one thing that you can never go wrong with is a print with original commercials as those aren't popping up commercially anytime soon. And most film prints, unlike those pre-recorded VHS tapes, hold their value. A few weeks ago I saw a print of the 1968 version of Blondie sell on ebay for over $500. Rare shows will always be in demand.







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