Survivor: Fiji

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  1. Hanson

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    I think I understand TonyD's logic -- if Yau hadn't made the deal, he would have been voted out anyway at the final four (being easily the most popular player). So the deal gave him the best chance to make it to the final three barring winning the IC at that juncture. So it was a good, strategic move for Yau after all.

    I think one thing that's being lost in the discussion is that by the time taping started for Fiji, Cook Islands hadn't yet finished airing, which meant that the final three was a huge twist for the players even though the viewers knew it was coming. So in Dreamz defense, he was giving up a lot more than he bargained for. Plus, Yau's error was to expect Dreamz to hand over immunity and get voted off. He really should have made a deal with Dreamz to vote off Cassandra -- that way, Dreamz gets to stay in the game and save face, which is something he may have gone for (don't ask him now -- he'll deny he ever changed his mind).

    And I am firmly of the opinion that you do what you have to do to win the game. This isn't real life -- in real life, the top two or three would make a deal to split their earnings. Since that isn't allowed in Survivor, players will conduct themselves differently than in real life. I think the jury is ultimately the one to decide if you went too far and it's the one thing that keeps their actions in check. To me, that's the sum total of expected morality in the game. Because it's a game.
     
  2. MikeM

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    Who cheated? There was no cheating that took place in Survivor, otherwise the player would have been ejected from the game. So I don't see your connection there at all.

    My analogy with poker is that part of the time you're playing your cards, part of the time you're playing the other player. You can lie in all sorts of levels of poker and Survivor and it's part of the game. In poker you can tell players that folded their hands that you had a pair, a flush, etc. when you really didn't. You can say awful things to get them angry so that they aren't focused just to get inside their heads. It's part of the game in poker and it's also part of the game in Survivor. However, even in poker, if you made a side bet (which Dreamz did) that everyone hears and you verbally agree to, that bet is binding. That's why I said I wouldn't be so disgusted with Dreamz if he gave the truck back and backed out of the bet. Just backing out of the best would still be a sleezy thing to do, especially since we all know from his confessionals that he had every intention of giving up immunity, but to not give it up AND keep the truck? That's beyond low.
     
  3. Radioman970

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    I agree that it shouldn't be no holds barred. Dreamz would then have to give Yau-man back his truck since the deal fell through. But instead it IS a game and Dreamz now has a freakishly massive fuel-eating machine plus a far amount of greenbacks. Yau-man looked to come to terms with the bad deal quite fast. He's a good man. How many of us would have this bad deal eating at them til the end of your days? *raises hand* Hopefully it'll eat at Dreamz and he'll call Yau-man up one day and tell him to come pick up his FORD tank.
     
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    Dreamz constantly jumped back and forth in the game. That was his method until the end. It wasn't totally surprising that he kept the one thing he felt might give him 1,000,000 reasons to remain a cheerleader after the game was over. It was obviously a tough decision for him. Or he put up one hell of a great act with his eyes watering and hiding his face. He should win a Oscar for that performance if that's what it was.

    Now, I feel like I'm taking up for Dreamz on this thread, but I must say I most likely wouldn't play the game the same way he did and put myself in that situation. But, if I had a chance to walk away with nothing or win a million dollar I'd go for the million...AND I'd say sorry to Yau-man and hand him the damn keys to his truck. My final words on the deal would be "Yau-man, you're a great man, and a smart player, and I'll buy you a beer when this is over if I win. I hope you'll do the same." It's amazing that the one guy who was done in by this crappy deal is the one who won't hold a grudge. Now, if only Dreamz had made a big production out of giving the truck back people wouldn't hate him as much. Now he just has a truck he'll have to use his winnings to buy the gas for. Karma? [​IMG]
     
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    I think you are smarter than that Hanson. Clearly, I meant in terms of being held accountable for one's actions.
     
  6. TonyD

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    and the taxes
     
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    Yauman's move with the truck was strategically wise. He knew he had a target on his back by being so strong in the game. The truck deal was to provide him with a tool to improve his odds later in the game. People fault him with trusting Dreamz, a risky proposition, but what choice did he have? He needed to enlist the support of the best challenge competitor (other than himself); that way his odds of winning immunity doubled (either he could win it himself, or his truck partner would win it for him) The choices were Dreamz and Boo. Boo seemed very much on the outs for his personality (I don't recall specifically why he was so disliked), so that left Dreamz. It was a gamble but a smart one even if it did not succeed.

    People are infuriated by the double cross because of the context and the individuals involved. Yauman was immensely appealing; intelligent, funny, enthusiastic, an underdog (because of his age) but a real solid performer on challenges. People wanted him in the final three. Dreamz spent the whole show talking up his integrity, his straight talking, being a good example for his son; he did this not just to his tribemates but in personal asides to the camera. Then he betrays the most popular player in a weak, foolish moment (it cost him a chance at a million when a voting deal with Yauman could have saved him and kept him popular), and pretends this was some masterful act of strategy. He comes across as a rat, liar and hypocrite whereas Yauman was honorable and a gentleman even in defeat.
     
  8. Radioman970

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    Well said Stephen.

    I'd be interested myself in knowing why Boo was so unpopular. I thought he was an okay player. Maybe a bit average. I'd most likely come across just like Boo (well, the edited Boo we see) if I played the game.
     
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    > I'd be interested myself in knowing why Boo was so unpopular.

    Me too- I can see why they would get rid of him for being a physical threat, but they seemed to personally dislike him, but I never saw where that came from.
     
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    I was thinking "Boo" was a reference to the To Kill a Mockingbird character. EVerybody is supposed to like Boo!! He... {movie spoiler}

    saved Scout and all! [​IMG]
     
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    ^^^ Now that is taking spoilers to another level. What, you're worried about spoiling an Oscar-winning movie from 19-freaking-62????? Is it OK to mention that Rhett doesn't give a damn?
     
  12. Hanson

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    Apparently it was because he would not shut up, but they edited out the kinds of stuff he would talk about (they did say he was worse than a woman that way). I assume if one of the topics (judging by his Final Tribal Council question to Dreamz) had to do with Jesus.
     
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    Oh yeah! I just remember the helicopter trip! He was a bit of a loud mouth. Again, I think I'd be a bit like Boo in that respect. [​IMG] If I ever get to play the game (who knows?) I'll defiantely avoid annoying everybody.
     

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