Scott Weinberg
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After seeing the trailer for The Jungle Book 2 it got me to thinking about the generally wretched Disney sequels. Here's what I came up with:
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
--- No sequel, unless you count the 1990 Filmation flick Happily Ever After. (I don't.)
Pinocchio (1940)
--- No sequel plans so far, but you know it's just a matter of time.
Fantasia (1940)
---Fantasia 2000 (2000) - OK, obviously this one's an exception to the rule, as it wasn't slapped together for home video or culled together from a handful of weekday cartoons. In many ways, I think it surpasses the original!
Dumbo (1941)
---Dumbo 2 (2003) - LukeB's fantastic Disney on DVD site offered me this info, so I'm apt to believe it's true. A sequel to this movie seems almost sacriligious.
Bambi (1942)
---Bambi 2 (2004) - Same as above. Talk about graverobbing!
Cinderella (1950)
---Cinderella 2: Dreams Come True (2002) - A 60-some minute tri-segment abomination. The original deserves so much better.
Alice in Wonderland (1951)
--- No sequel plans. Don't hold your breath.
Peter Pan (1953)
---Return to Never Land (2002) - I haven't seen this one, but word is that it's mildly better than the DTV fare. Given a promotion to Theatrical Release, and its financial success probably ensures more of the same.
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
---Lady and the Tramp 2: Scamp's Adventure (2001) - Not too awful, but still not one-tenth the original.
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
--- No sequel plans, and I hope it stays that way. (Coolest dragon EVER!)
101 Dalmatians (1961)
---101 Dalmatians 2: Patch's London Advenutre (2003) - So we got live-action remakes and sequels to the live-action remakes. Now comes an animated sequel to the animated original. Enough with the dalmatians.
The Sword in the Stone (1963)
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The Jungle Book (1967)
---The Jungle Book 2 (2003) - I'll give it a fair shot, but the trailer doesn't look too promising.
The Aristocats (1970)
--- I'm a little surprised that this one hasn't been plundered yet. Maybe in 2005.
Robin Hood (1973)
--- Underrated flick. Sequel unlikely.
The Rescuers (1977)
---The Rescuers Down Under (1990) - Like Fantasia 2000, this one's kind of an exception to the rule. Far as I know, this one was always planned as a Theatrical Release. Either way, it's a surprisingly good adventure flick - though the original is so much cooler.
The Fox and the Hound (1981)
--- I bet they're saving this one for a sequel. I'd bet on it.
The Black Cauldron (1985)
--- Another underrated flick, though a disappointment at the box office. A sequel to Song of the South is more likely than a Black Cauldron 2.
The Great Mouse Detective (1986)
--- Seems like perfect pickings for a series of DTV mystery adventures. We'll see.
Oliver & Company (1988)
--- Again, book it. There will be a sequel one day.
The Little Mermaid (1989)
---The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea (2000) - Haven't seen the sequel. I refuse to. Haven't heard flattering things.
Beauty and the Beast (1991)
---Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas (1997) and Belle's Magical World (1997) - Uch. Don't get me started.
Aladdin (1992)
---The Return of Jafar (1994) and Aladdin and the King of Thieves (1996) - 'Jafar' was a sad joke, 'Thieves' was passable entertainment. Unfortunately, the original is a classic. (My all-time Disney fave, actually.)
The Lion King (1994)
---The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride (1998) and The Lion King 1 1/2: Hakuna Matata (2003) - This second sequel seems to have an intriguing concept (the tale of the original Lion King as seen through the eyes of Timon & Pumbaa), but Part 2 was basically atrocious.
Pocahontas (1995)
---Pocahontas 2: Journey to a New World (1998) - Didn't care for the original too much, though I'd wager the sequel is about 1,000 times worse.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
---The Hunchback of Notre Dame 2 (2002) - The awful sequel made me appreciate the original even more.
Hercules (1997)
--- Another modern one that nobody seems to love. I think it's great! No sequels please!
Mulan (1998)
---Mulan 2 (2003) - Can't wait to miss this sequel.
Tarzan (1999)
---Tarzan and Jane (2002) - Another one comprised of leftover TV cartoons. Yuck. The original is a great flick that improves every time I see it.
The Emperor's New Groove (2000)
--- Tough call. Weird project. I thought it was very funny, though a sequel's probably not on Disney's front burner.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001)
---Atlantis 2: Milo's Return (2003) - Upcoming DTV sequel made up of TV cartoons. I sense a pattern.
Lilo & Stitch (2002)
---Stitch: The Movie (2003) - Weird. I thought the original flick was a "movie"!
Treasure Planet
--- Sequel plans pending overall box-office tally.
So basically my question is this:
Does it bother you that Disney is backhanding their classics (old-school as well as modern) with these money-grubbing low-quality 'sequels'? Didn't I read somewhere that Walt used to have an edict prohibiting sequels to the classics? Talk about an about-face!
Sure, sequels are a necessary evil in the world of movies, but is just a little sincere effort too much to ask? Think about the overwhelming entertainment value of movies like Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, and The Lion King and compare that to the quality of their follow-ups. Dropoffs that massive simply don't exist outside of Wile E. Coyote cartoons.
If you look exclusively at their top-tier animated features, Disney has an astonishingly strong batting average. If you look solely at their sequels to these films, you're looking at a mushroom cloud of marketing garbage.
OK, I'm done for now. Thoughts?
Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs (1937)
--- No sequel, unless you count the 1990 Filmation flick Happily Ever After. (I don't.)
Pinocchio (1940)
--- No sequel plans so far, but you know it's just a matter of time.
Fantasia (1940)
---Fantasia 2000 (2000) - OK, obviously this one's an exception to the rule, as it wasn't slapped together for home video or culled together from a handful of weekday cartoons. In many ways, I think it surpasses the original!
Dumbo (1941)
---Dumbo 2 (2003) - LukeB's fantastic Disney on DVD site offered me this info, so I'm apt to believe it's true. A sequel to this movie seems almost sacriligious.
Bambi (1942)
---Bambi 2 (2004) - Same as above. Talk about graverobbing!
Cinderella (1950)
---Cinderella 2: Dreams Come True (2002) - A 60-some minute tri-segment abomination. The original deserves so much better.
Alice in Wonderland (1951)
--- No sequel plans. Don't hold your breath.
Peter Pan (1953)
---Return to Never Land (2002) - I haven't seen this one, but word is that it's mildly better than the DTV fare. Given a promotion to Theatrical Release, and its financial success probably ensures more of the same.
Lady and the Tramp (1955)
---Lady and the Tramp 2: Scamp's Adventure (2001) - Not too awful, but still not one-tenth the original.
Sleeping Beauty (1959)
--- No sequel plans, and I hope it stays that way. (Coolest dragon EVER!)
101 Dalmatians (1961)
---101 Dalmatians 2: Patch's London Advenutre (2003) - So we got live-action remakes and sequels to the live-action remakes. Now comes an animated sequel to the animated original. Enough with the dalmatians.
The Sword in the Stone (1963)
---
The Jungle Book (1967)
---The Jungle Book 2 (2003) - I'll give it a fair shot, but the trailer doesn't look too promising.
The Aristocats (1970)
--- I'm a little surprised that this one hasn't been plundered yet. Maybe in 2005.
Robin Hood (1973)
--- Underrated flick. Sequel unlikely.
The Rescuers (1977)
---The Rescuers Down Under (1990) - Like Fantasia 2000, this one's kind of an exception to the rule. Far as I know, this one was always planned as a Theatrical Release. Either way, it's a surprisingly good adventure flick - though the original is so much cooler.
The Fox and the Hound (1981)
--- I bet they're saving this one for a sequel. I'd bet on it.
The Black Cauldron (1985)
--- Another underrated flick, though a disappointment at the box office. A sequel to Song of the South is more likely than a Black Cauldron 2.
The Great Mouse Detective (1986)
--- Seems like perfect pickings for a series of DTV mystery adventures. We'll see.
Oliver & Company (1988)
--- Again, book it. There will be a sequel one day.
The Little Mermaid (1989)
---The Little Mermaid 2: Return to the Sea (2000) - Haven't seen the sequel. I refuse to. Haven't heard flattering things.
Beauty and the Beast (1991)
---Beauty and the Beast: The Enchanted Christmas (1997) and Belle's Magical World (1997) - Uch. Don't get me started.
Aladdin (1992)
---The Return of Jafar (1994) and Aladdin and the King of Thieves (1996) - 'Jafar' was a sad joke, 'Thieves' was passable entertainment. Unfortunately, the original is a classic. (My all-time Disney fave, actually.)
The Lion King (1994)
---The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride (1998) and The Lion King 1 1/2: Hakuna Matata (2003) - This second sequel seems to have an intriguing concept (the tale of the original Lion King as seen through the eyes of Timon & Pumbaa), but Part 2 was basically atrocious.
Pocahontas (1995)
---Pocahontas 2: Journey to a New World (1998) - Didn't care for the original too much, though I'd wager the sequel is about 1,000 times worse.
The Hunchback of Notre Dame (1996)
---The Hunchback of Notre Dame 2 (2002) - The awful sequel made me appreciate the original even more.
Hercules (1997)
--- Another modern one that nobody seems to love. I think it's great! No sequels please!
Mulan (1998)
---Mulan 2 (2003) - Can't wait to miss this sequel.
Tarzan (1999)
---Tarzan and Jane (2002) - Another one comprised of leftover TV cartoons. Yuck. The original is a great flick that improves every time I see it.
The Emperor's New Groove (2000)
--- Tough call. Weird project. I thought it was very funny, though a sequel's probably not on Disney's front burner.
Atlantis: The Lost Empire (2001)
---Atlantis 2: Milo's Return (2003) - Upcoming DTV sequel made up of TV cartoons. I sense a pattern.
Lilo & Stitch (2002)
---Stitch: The Movie (2003) - Weird. I thought the original flick was a "movie"!
Treasure Planet
--- Sequel plans pending overall box-office tally.
So basically my question is this:
Does it bother you that Disney is backhanding their classics (old-school as well as modern) with these money-grubbing low-quality 'sequels'? Didn't I read somewhere that Walt used to have an edict prohibiting sequels to the classics? Talk about an about-face!
Sure, sequels are a necessary evil in the world of movies, but is just a little sincere effort too much to ask? Think about the overwhelming entertainment value of movies like Cinderella, Beauty and the Beast, and The Lion King and compare that to the quality of their follow-ups. Dropoffs that massive simply don't exist outside of Wile E. Coyote cartoons.
If you look exclusively at their top-tier animated features, Disney has an astonishingly strong batting average. If you look solely at their sequels to these films, you're looking at a mushroom cloud of marketing garbage.
OK, I'm done for now. Thoughts?