Willy Wonka let's discuss

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  1. Kristoffer

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    Okay just saw this ( In WS Of course! ) and here are some thoughts about it ; First of all the boat ride. Well I think that the boat is maybe having to go through hell ( Peptory SP?? ) to get to a nice place ( Heaven ? ) or maybe Wonka wanted to see if he could trust his quests and more importantly if they would trust him.
    The ompa lompa could actually be slaves workers...
    And no one really knows what happends to the other kids...at least we never see:
    Your Thoughts ??
     
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    Wonka's world is full of contradictions, but all in good fun. Wonka tells Charlie not to worry about the other children that they will all return to the world as the nasty little brats they were before but maybe "a little wiser for the ware."
     
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    I'm so thankful they had the bright idea to film this movie in Austria. Willy Wonka represents the dual governmental systems currently in place within larger socio-political economic-based democratic nations which are also based upon a socialist and quasi-communist political system of outward neutrality despite anti-Libertarian influenced substructures within the same society that frequently flip-flops its political idealism depending on economic forecasts that are routinely manipulated to represent a stable and more balanced Oompa Lumpa.

    [​IMG]
     
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    Man am I a simpleton, I really don't know what to say about the movie. I was just going to say it is a trippy little movie that I really like; I never would of come up with dual governmental systems. I do think it being filmed in Austria adds so much to the look of the film and trips me out even more. Or maybe that is just b/c it is an 80's(or is it 70"s) look with the styles?

    That boat ride is freaking awesome. Maybe Willy Wonka is just a Mad Genius that wanted to scare the Sh!t out of his guests? I would.

    At my work we have this little puzzle that we got at a machine show and once you put it together it looks a lot like an Everlasting Gobstopper. It is funny to me, not many people get the joke when I tell them what it is and that's a bummer.
     
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    In the book, Willie and Charlie actually see the other kids emerge from the chocolate factory, essentially unharmed.

    I think the baot ride shows the dark side of the fun house that is the chocolate factory and the dark side of Wonka who is, essentially, a powerful child.
     
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    How come the everlasting gobstoppers I can buy at the store don't look like the ones in the film?

    Also, in the book, the kids all appear to be permantly disfigured, if alive (there's a drawing of a very tall, very stretched Mike Teevee leaving the factory, among others). Bet they wish they hadn't signed the contract--I'm sure there's a no-sue clause in there somewhere.

    And another thing, why does the TV coverage of Violet's interview focus on pseudo-Slugworth whispering in her ear when the camera should be pointed at the reporter interviewing her dad?

    Evan (who would likewise keep the box of Wonka bars instead of using them to get back his kidnapped spouse)
     
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    Todd,

    I coulda sworn the kids did not emerge unscathed (or at least Mike). Permanent comic disfigurement of twits seems more in keeping with Roald Dahl's style then them returning to normal.

    But I haven't read any of his stuff since 6th grade, so I could be wrong.

    Evan
     
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    Yup, Mike Teevee had elongated limbs from being stretched, the Salts were covered in garbage, Violet was all blue, and Augustas was thin from being squeezed thru a chocolate tube

    I wouldn't rely on that film for making any sense whatsoever from the real, true CHARLIE and the Chocolate Factory
     
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    Does this movie have a happy ending? I remember my 1st or 2nd grade teacher showed us this movie in class, and we never got beyond a part where something really bad happened to the kid and his family. It was very traumatic for me, as was watching Return to Oz in class.

    ~T
     
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    Yeah, the kids in the book are altered but I think, in the tone of the book, which is comical, that calling them disfigured is a bit harsh. They are changed but unharmed (which I think was the point).
     
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    I love this movie. Very trippy and surreal. If there were only a room that is made of candy.

    I thought the story was about what happens to you if you get greedy, and Willy Wonka stages the contest to weed out the greedy from the pure of heart to carry on the factory's business. Charlie was pretty much unselfish, except for the Fizzy Lifting Drink part, which was partly his grandfather's fault, and in the end Charlie gets the factory. Can't think of what else to add right now, because I'm kind of tired.
     
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    I think Willy Wonka is as much a classic as Wizard of Oz, full of magic and fun. There's also some fantastic filmmaking used to make the movie and a message or two about greed and being careful what you wish for. I actually haven't picked up the DVD yet but it's high on the list. Did I mention that I love that it's filmed in Austria? [​IMG] There's such a wonderful international feel to the movie, especially with seeing the beautiful scenery. Despite some of the darker elements, I think every child should grow up watching this movie.
     
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    Andrew, why do you think the author's wirtings are cruel and smug? I never have read anything by him so I just want to know; btw, what did you think was cruel and smug about Wonka?
     
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    Um, Willy Wonka was shot in Munich, Germany, not Austria.

    I still look for the those front gates to Wonka's factory every time I go up there. [​IMG]
     
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    Jeff: I have yet to read the book, and am only commenting on the movie. Thanks for pointing that out. I definitely have to put the book on my to get list.
     
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    I've had discussions about this book/movie with my gf several times. She's read the books a few times, I've only read them once.

    Dahl *definitely* has a cruel streak in him. His books are heavy with the themes that good children, no matter what they have to suffer through, will eventually be rewarded (which is mean in its own way). And bad children should be punished... but not with the idea of correcting the bad behavior. Rather, to set an example... which is why the punishments are usually very extreme.

    If you're going to read his stuff, be sure to also read Matilda. A lot of it was "softened" for the movie.
     
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