Shawshank Redemption #2 on iMDB -- why?

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  1. MartinTeller

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    2nd highest rated, and with more votes than ANY other movie except Fellowship of the Ring and The Matrix. I don't get it. Shawshank is a decent movie, even a good movie. But number 2? Did someone rig the voting? It's the only explanation I can think of. More people stopped to vote for Shawshank than Star Wars? I can't believe that.
     
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    Shawshank blows away Star Wars. Star Wars *the originals* while a great series to watch, don't really do anythign special on their own as individuals imo. Shawshank had a great cast, great script, great music all around.
     
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    This will spark some familiar dialog but I don't get it either.
     
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    I assume it's #2 because a lot of people liked it. This is only a guess.

    Chris (Master of the Obvious)
     
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    Liked it, sure. I liked it, too. But LOVED it? I don't know anyone who would consider it a masterpiece or one of the best of all time, do you?

    I'm not trying to start an argument about how good Shawshank is, it just doesn't make sense to me that it would be rated so high, when there are much more popular and much more highly-regarded films out there.
     
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    It's about as close to a perfect film as I can imagine. An intricate, detailed and unfolding story. A1 acting. Superb writing. Excellent photography and score. Always enjoyable no matter how many times it's watched.

    It's not often you get that combination.

     
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    Here is a list of all films that were named in Sight and Sound's poll of top 10 movies. 145 critics and 108 directors, not one of them voted for Shawshank.

    Here is the American Film Institute's top 100 American movies of all time. Shawshank? Nowhere to be seen.

    What a more populist view? Okay. Here's a handful of top 10 lists. Not even top of all time, just top 10 American films. Not one of them has Shawshank.
     
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    Here are three threads from the last year or so. Many, many people love this film, regardless of whether it shows up on top ten lists or not. When people vote on IMDB, I'd venture a guess that many people don't vote for films in regards to how they fit on their top ten. I think that most just give a 10 to films that they "love." God knows I gave Shawshank a 10, and it's not even on my top 20.

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...ank+Redemption

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...ank+Redemption

    http://www.hometheaterforum.com/htfo...ank+Redemption

    Also, saying that it isn't on many top tens is not too accurate. Check YMDB's top movie page, and Shawshank is ranked 6th, which means it's on many people's top 20 lists.

    http://www.ymdb.com/topmovies.asp
     
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    I guess I just hang out with the wrong crowd of people then. I've never met anyone who was especially enthusiastic about it.


    FWIW, I just voted on a movie three times and iMDB did nothing to stop me. Maybe my vote will only be counted once... or maybe it's possible to vote over and over again for your favorites.
     
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    It's hard to say "it's so unpopular" not "top 100" etc.. or the ilk; basically, IMDB's system means that many people -did and do- actively consider the film to be a great film.

    Also remember, many "critics" etc. view can run counter to societal perceptions; I don't know of many film critics who would say the Matrix is #34 and so on.

    The IMDB list is based upon what end viewers like. I don' know if I'd put Shawshank in my top 10. But it is a great film, and for enjoyment, I'd probably put it in my top 20.

    Then again, I'd also put "Office Space" in my top 30, so *shrug* [​IMG]
     
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    Sigh. I'm really not placing any judgement on it. It has nothing to do with my views on the film. Honestly. This is not a "let's bash Shawshank" thread. I'm just baffled by its high ranking, considering what the general public perception of the movie seems to be.

    It's also weird to me that so many people voted on it, which is more suspicious than the rating itself. I'm not saying Star Wars is better than Shawshank (well, I think it is, but that's not the issue), but certainly more people have seen it... ESPECIALLY among internet geeks.
     
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    Hell, I dunno. That's why I posted this!

    Maybe there's some really crazy Shawshank fan out there with a lot of time on his hands.
     
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    Martin - If you say you aren't being judgemental, okay. That's simply how I read your remarks. Sorry.

    The simplest explanation is that a *lot* of people really like this film. I've briefly mentioned why I believe this is the case and I guess I'll leave it at that. Personally, I would rank it at 9.

    - Walter.
     
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    Martin,
    Why don't you read those HTF threads that were linked if you want to know why so many think highly of that film?




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    I didn't say I wanted to know why so many think highly of it. My question was more, do people really think so highly of it, or is something funny going on at iMDB?

    But, looking at those threads is interesting. There are indeed a lot of "perfect film", "top 3 of all time", etc. But there's a pretty good number of "not perfect, but good", "extremely overrated", "not in my top 100", etc.

    Also, there aren't really very many responses to those threads. The longest one is 3 pages, and it seems to be mostly about Pulp Fiction.

    If there really is a legion of TSR fans out there, okay, question answered. Like I said, it's the number of voters that surprised me more than how they voted.

    Interestingly, out of the iMDB top 20 films that have been released on DVD, TSR is the only one without decent special features. Someone at WB ought to get on the ball!
     

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