Samsung DLP only work with 480i input?

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  1. Shane Morales

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    In another thread, Bob McElfresh wrote:
     
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    You'd want to try it both ways ... as always since there is more to progressive scan than just de-interlacing.

    Progressive signals are often cleaner coming out of the player and have higher resolution. Putting a processor to a degraded signal will never help you recover the missing resolution.

    Try it yourself.

    regards
     
  3. Doug_H

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    Shane

    I have the 50" Samsung N series and the X1 which uses the same Farajuda chip. The Samsung and X1 both looked better when I fed them an interlaced signal from the 2900. This was also true of the Sony S9000ES and the other 3 lower end players in the house. THEN!!!

    I sent back the 2900 and picked up a Kenwood 6050 for $250 and it looks much better when I feed the progressive signal. The Kenwood has the Farajuda chip and simply does a better job although I am not sure why. Whatever the reason the Kenwood has the best picture I have ever seen from a progressive player. It also sounded as good on DVD-A which was another big surprise.

    It really comes down to how good a job the player does with progressive. The Farajuda in these TV's kicks butt. I suspect that a player with an equal chip may do a better job however because that is pretty much it's only purpose in life. Less interference or something... just a guess though.
     
  4. Bob McElfresh

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    Well keep in mind that many Progressive Scan DVD players are in the $200 price range. Is the Dennon unit really $900?

    The Samsung should shine with standard-definition CATV & Satallite signals - that's what the Farajuda chip is built for. The fact that interlace from a DVD player looks superior to progressive is kind of a side-effect.

    The world is turning to progressive/HD video. I'd still recommend a progressive-scan DVD player even if you buy the Samsung. No gurantee that the Samsung will be your ONLY television or the next owner of the DVD player will have a Sammy.
     
  5. Shane Morales

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    Yeah, the Denon 2900 retails for about $900-$1000, a bit less online. I picked this unit because it's supposed to have a great progressive image and I'm willing to pay $$$ for that. But why pay $900 for something you're not going to use to full effect, right?

    Doug's post hints at the possibility that DVD players with a Faroudja (how do you pronounce that, anyway?) chip gives the best results?

    I dunno... now I'm kinda bummed.
     
  6. Shane Morales

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    Here's some interesting info I found out about the Samsung DLP (56" specifically):

    Composite video in 3 (1 Side, 2 Rear)
    • DVD component video in 1 Set (Y, Pb, Pr) 480i, 480P
      HDTV /DTV component video input 2 (Y, Pb, Pr) 1080i, 720P, 480P

    I got that from the Samsung tech sheet for the DLP. Doesn't that say that it'll take progressive input?

    Or am I just reading this whole thing wrong and is the real issue that the Faroudja chip inside the Samsung DLP won't work it's magic on a progressive input because it's already been converted from interlaced to progressive by the DVD player? Is that what Bob meant?
     
  7. Doug_H

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    Shane

    The Samsung can take either signal. The question is does the chip in the sammy do a better job of converting than the chip in the DVD player.

    It varies by DVD player. The sammy has a very high quality chip that in many if not most cases does a better job than XYZ brand DVD player. All you can do is try the player and determine which looks best to you. I tried a number of players and found the Sammy did a better job of converting than the DVD player. the only one I tried that looked better feeding the Sammy a progressive signal was the Kenwood.

    It just happens that the Kenwood has the same chip in it that the Sammy uses which may explain this. I may be off but I think there would be less interference in the DVD player than the TV thus allowing a better picture. That is only a guess though.

    Quality of picture is at least somewhat subjective though so you may have a different experience when using the same combination of TV and player.
     
  8. Shane Morales

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    Ah... so, really, if I'm getting the Denon 2900, which uses the SiI504 chip, I'm getting the two best deinterlaces and I can pick and choose between them. Good, I'm so releived, mostly because I'm just dead tired of shopping for home theater stuff. I just want to get it and enjoy it.
     
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    Shane, if you already have a DVD player, even if it is non-progressive, use that one first.

    Later on, wait for better models of DVD players that has a DVI output. DVI, according to a lot of Bravo D1, Samsung HD931, and Momitsu V880 owners give the best picture quality, much better than high-end progressive players that only has compuenent outputs.

    I use a Pioneer DV47 DVD player for my HLN507W and i tried both Progressive mode (using component input 2) mode and Interlaced mode (component input 1). I agree with the others that 480i is better. The Samsung does a great job doing the de-interlacing and converting to 720p.
     
  10. Shane Morales

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    Man, this is making my head hurt...

    Ok, let's see if I have this straight. Correct me if I'm wrong, please:

    1. The Faroudja chip in the Samsung DLP kicks ass so all I need for DVD is to pass 480i to the TV. Since I don't have a DVD player (available, that is) I'll want to buy a cheap (but not crappy) DVD player. $100 should do it.

    2. I don't need a seperate CD Player because I can play normal audio CDs on the $100 DVD player and pass the sound (via digital optical) to my Denon 3803 for sound processing. If I am satisfied with the audio processing that my Denon receiver provides there's no need for me to by a seperate CD player - unless DVD-A, HDCD, SACD, etc, becomes an issue later.

    3. Get a good DVI capable DVD player later on.

    Correct? If so, I just saved $800!
     
  11. Doug_H

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    I wouldn'y go out and buy a $100 player to go with that TV. I do think the Kenwood would be a great buy at $250.

    One thing to remember is crap in, crap out. None of the players I have tried were super el cheapo and all of them put out a very good interlaced signal. There are some great deals out there if you are willing to do your research.
     
  12. Myki Cantero

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    Haha! My answers...

    1. Yes. Cheap but not crappy. I doubt you'll find anything that is not crappy, $100 and below. The Panasonic XP30 is around $250 and it is a good player accoring to some sites I visit.

    2. Yes, I use my Pioneer DVD player for music now as well and feed it to my Marantz SR7200. I bought a Nakamichi CD player, but I feel it is not worth it and I'm trying to sell it now so I can get a DVI enabled DVD player.


    However, why don't you simply get a DVD player with DVI outputs now, and use that for both DVD and Music? It will only cost $200 to $300 and you can enjoy great 720p DVDs now rather than later. (Or rather digitally upconverted 480i to 720p DVDs)

    Later, when a universal player comes out with DVI, then you can upgrade your DVD player. By that time, you'll have better quality, better features, and with DVD-Audio, SACD, or both included! :)

    Check the Bravo D1 ($200), Momitsu V880 ($210), or Samsung HD931 ($300).
     
  13. Bob McElfresh

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    This link to Extreme Tech - Samsung DLP is about a reviewer who bought and returned 5 different HDTV's. The one he kept - the Samsung DLP. Lots of good information here about the samsung unit and the internal chips.
     
  14. Shane Morales

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    Thanks a bunch for all the links and stuff. Very helpful. I did a bunch of research and review reading about the various DVI players and pretty much decided to drop the Denon and get one. What really sealed the deal, though, was that I found out today that I have a bit less $ for my HT purchases than I had planned.

    I ordered the Bravo. I found that V was founded by the guy who setup of Princeton Graphics. They make great, inexpensive monitors (I have two). Having had repeated good experiences with his last company I have high hopes for V. Plus, it's $100 less than the samsung and it doesn't have that lame copy protection thing on it.

    Perhaps later, when I have more $, I'll get a nice panny or something if I find the Bravo lacking in some area.

    Thanks again.

    So far the nice folks on this forum have saved me about $3000.
     
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    To really muddy up the waters, how about the Samsung DVD-HD931 that uses DVI output to the television? It scales up to 720p/1080i using the Faroudja FLI2310 and Samsung’s DNIe chip. It costa about $300, but then a cable will be another $100. This player along with Samsung’s DLP set is one of only a few ways to get digital output without converting to analog anywhere along the way. The question is, is the picture any better?
     

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