SACD's & DVD-A's marketshare

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Rachael B, Sep 15, 2002.

  1. Rachael B

    Rachael B Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2000
    Messages:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Knocksville, TN
    Real Name:
    Rachael Bellomy
    I got this information out of the latest issue of Sound & Vision.
    CD - 94% marketshare
    cassette - 5%
    The last 1% is divided between vinyl, DVD-A, and SACD. Here's a quote:
    "...with vinyl, of all things, easily outselling DVD-Audio and SACD combined during the first six months of 2002: 661,000 units to 92,000."
    It suggests there is no SACD vs. DVD-A format war or if there is one it's against vinyl![​IMG]
     
  2. RaulR

    RaulR Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Sep 11, 2002
    Messages:
    175
    Likes Received:
    0
    Disheartening stats, but no surprise. I just wonder how much of the vinyl sales are due to the massive popularity of "scratching" among professional and would-be DJs.
     
  3. Marc Colella

    Marc Colella Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 1999
    Messages:
    2,601
    Likes Received:
    0
    Not surprising.

    I've always stated that DVD-A and SACD will remain a niche market (at best). People are perfectly happy with CD.

    And since music sales are on a consistent decline, DVD-A and SACD are even less important to consumers - especially since DVD-Video is the hot media of choice.

    I own a SACD player, and love the format... and I'd be happy enough if it survived as an audiophile niche product.
     
  4. Michael Gilliam

    Joined:
    Sep 9, 2002
    Messages:
    43
    Likes Received:
    0
    I agree with Marc. I own both an SACD and a DVD-A player. I love both formats, for both easily best the CD. Although some CDs are better than others, I've not heard one that outpeforms the 2 new formats. While some titles, on both new formats, are weaker than others, it's nice to have the opportunity to enjoy music with better quality. Many people always ask "will it replace CDs?, or "will it have a big enough market?" First, I don't think it will replace CDs and I don't think it should or needs to. Many people, unfortunately in my opinion, do not care for quality. For those who do not care, let them be without. For those who do care, it's nice to have something better than the CD. And last but not least, although I don't dislike vinyl, neither of the 2 new formats have annoying 'scratches' and 'pops' to contend with like vinyl does. Vinyl may outsell SACD & DVD-A, but I believe it to be less of a product. Vinyl is cheaper, as are the players. Products that cost less can easily sell more units.
     
  5. Al B. C

    Al B. C Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2002
    Messages:
    644
    Likes Received:
    0


    I dunno about that one.

    Some of those turntables fetch an enormous price. And have you checked out the prices of LP's lately...............hmmmm?
     
  6. Marc Colella

    Marc Colella Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 1999
    Messages:
    2,601
    Likes Received:
    0
    Audiophiles have clung to vinyl since the release of CDs all those years ago.
    It has a small but faithful following, many of whom are either not convinced by the quality of SACD/DVD-A or are too set in their ways to convert.

    I was shocked to find out that a few audiophiles I know (one's even a stereo shop owner) haven't even heard of SACD.

    SACD and DVD-A find themselves in a tough spot.
    Both formats are having a hard time getting in with the audiophile crowd, and are getting nowhere with the mass-market.

    I agree that there isn't a Hi-Rez format war... both formats are battling against the lack of consumer interest.
     
  7. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
    Wow! where to get started?...
     
  8. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  9. Rachael B

    Rachael B Producer

    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2000
    Messages:
    4,693
    Likes Received:
    27
    Location:
    Knocksville, TN
    Real Name:
    Rachael Bellomy
    Lee, I'd feel encouraged is somebody besides Sony made stand-alone players. Half the world loves Sony and the other half hates them passionately, seemingly. [​IMG] Best wishes!
     
  10. Marc Colella

    Marc Colella Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jun 19, 1999
    Messages:
    2,601
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  11. KeithH

    KeithH Lead Actor

    Joined:
    Mar 28, 2000
    Messages:
    9,413
    Likes Received:
    0
    Lee said:
     
  12. Kevin C Brown

    Kevin C Brown Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 3, 2000
    Messages:
    5,712
    Likes Received:
    0
    I'll personally be super curious when comparisons between SACD/DVD-A and vinyl start surfacing (Michael Fremer from Stereophile, for example).

    I would like to believe that *nothing* digital could touch a pure analog medium. But I could also easily believe that SACD and/or DVD-A are *close enough* to vinyl, that the problems with lps push them over the top. (Pops, clicks, RIAA freq curve, rumble, wow/flutter, distortion increase on tracks on the inside of an lp vs the outside edge, etc.)

    And, I'll bet most people buying the Stones re-issues are buying them for the CD layer... But I would also bet it is stimulating some SACD hardware sales as well...
     
  13. Justin Lane

    Justin Lane Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Jan 18, 2000
    Messages:
    2,149
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  14. Al B. C

    Al B. C Supporting Actor

    Joined:
    Apr 25, 2002
    Messages:
    644
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yup - Just like me! [​IMG]
     
  15. Phil A

    Phil A Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,170
    Likes Received:
    37
    Location:
    Central FL
    Real Name:
    Phil
    First of all, how did they count hybrids? Did they count them as a CD or SACD? Second, that does not take into account the Stones. According to Billboard, per last Sunday:

    Hot Rocks - 12,789
    Aftermath (UK) - 5,289
    Between The Buttons (UK) - 3,977
    Metamorphosis - 7,065
    Out Of Our Heads (UK) - 3,061
    Let It Bleed - 12,826
    Through The Past - 4,271
    Satanic - 4,567
    Beggar's Banquet - 11,296
    Big Hits - 5,193
    Aftermath (US) - 4,248
    Flower - 2,579
    Get Your Ya Ya's Out - 5,024

    As I said, I don't know how they would count the above, but obiously there are some buying them for the SACD layer and some for the CD layer (who might read the inserts and put an SACD player on their wish list).
     
  16. John Kotches

    John Kotches Cinematographer

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2000
    Messages:
    2,635
    Likes Received:
    0
    Phil,

    Combined that's nearly 83K discs, or ~6,400 per title (on average).

    What did the top 10 sellers for the same week do in terms of unit sales?

    I'm curious about that.

    I don't subscribe to Billboard, are these stats available at their website?

    edit

    I see that they have a Top Pop Catalog, which is where I assume the Stones titles would be categorized -- but getting past the top 20 requires a subscription of some sort......

    JTs Greatest Hits tops this category for those that were wondering.

    So, anyone with a subscription want to pony up the rankings in the "Top Pop Catalog"?

    Regards,
     
  17. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  18. Lee Scoggins

    Lee Scoggins Producer

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2001
    Messages:
    6,394
    Likes Received:
    0
    Real Name:
    Lee
     
  19. James Q Jenkins

    James Q Jenkins Stunt Coordinator

    Joined:
    Sep 24, 2000
    Messages:
    167
    Likes Received:
    0
    When I go into my local Tower Records the number of titles in the record racks in all genres overwhelmingly outnumbers the amount of SACD and DVD-Audio titles. Even if half of the LPs were DJ mixes (which is the case) the number of titles still at least quadruples the available SACDs and DVD-As combined. This is the simple answer as to why the sales numbers are as they stand right now.
     
  20. Phil A

    Phil A Producer

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2000
    Messages:
    3,170
    Likes Received:
    37
    Location:
    Central FL
    Real Name:
    Phil
    John, as of late last year, none of the Stones albums are even listed by the RIAA as the top 100 sellers of all time (James Taylor's "Greatest" is there) - http://www.riaa.org/Gold-Best-5.cfm
    If SACD and DVD-A expect to be more more than a niche market, they need more releases of albums that have sold in the past and also more releases of current albums and have the same street dates. If, for example, Columbia (not picking on one label), decides to release "The Rising" a year from now on SACD, it certainly would have been much better if they released a hybrid SACD to start with. Otherwise, by waiting, they are limiting their sales to Sprinsteen fans who are also audiophiles. By releasing a hybrid, they could have sold all those hundreds of thousands of Albums to Springsteen fans who might be curious enough to go listen at a hi-fi shop in SACD. A huge missed opportunity.
    And as John points out, there are charts out there with best selling albums. Until DVD-A and SACD both become part of these charts by making them, they continue to be a niche market.
     

Share This Page