My first SACD (Super Audio). Great price...but should I buy?

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  1. Ronald Epstein

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    I don't want to mention the advertiser, but
    a major online distributor is selling the
    Sony DVD/SACD Player DVPNS500V for $299.
    I don't have a SACD player. Not sure if I
    want to get into the format as I am sure it
    will mean that I will be replacing a lot of
    CDs.
    Generally, Sony products suck. The low end
    stuff does. A Sony carousel unit I bought a
    mere 2 years ago is already making my CDs skip.
    What do you think of this player?
    More importantly, is this a format worth
    getting into?
    Thanks in advance.
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  2. Yohan Pamudji

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    It's generally the case that DVD players don't do as well with CDs as dedicated CD players because of the compromises that have to be made to accomodate both audio and video, or so I've heard. If you already have a DVD player (of course) I think getting a dedicated SACD player would be better. Dunno how good it is, but you can get the Sony SCD-CE775 SACD 5-disc for $350 at local stores. If you just need another DVD player, might as well go with the NS500V and experience SACD while you're at it. It all depends on your motivation, I suppose.
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  3. anthony_b

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    I ordered a SACD player myself and then changed my mind and got a regular cd player. The sound was awsome but there are not a lot of titles out there, and when you do find them they cost about $20 plus shipping !!!! and who knows if this is going to be the format of choice ? (dvd-a maybe ?)...apex is coming out with a player that does it all (sacd,dvd-a,mp3,hdcd,dvd-v....)I'd wait for that and it's going to be cheaper !!!
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    SACD is the most sensational audio I have ever heard!!!
    Go for it!!!
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  5. anthony_b

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    I agree it sounds great, but the titles out there are not for everyones taste. Maybe if there were more titles out there I'd get one.
     
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    SACD is awesome. There are a lot of titles available on SACD. Universal Music has just joined the SACD world along with Virgin.
    AerosmithJust Push Play
    Alice In ChainsGreatest Hits
    Louis ArmstrongAmbassador Satch
    Louis ArmstrongSatch Plays Fats
    Louis ArmstrongLouis Armstrong Plays W. C. Handy
    BabyfaceThe Day
    BanglesGreatest Hits
    Jeff BeckBlow By Blow
    Joshua BellBernstein: West Side Story Suite
    Tony BennettThe Ultimate Tony Bennett
    Tony BennettMTV Unplugged
    Leonard Bernstein Bernstein: Candide Overture; West Side Story Dances; On the Waterfront Suite; Fancy
    Leonard Bernstein Gershwin: Rhapsody in Blue, An American in Paris; Grofe: Grand Canyon Suite
    Leonard Bernstein Mahler: Symphony No.1 "Titan"
    Leonard Bernstein Dvorák: Symphony No.9 "From the New World"
    Terence Blanchard Let's Get Lost
    Blood, Sweat & Tears Blood, Sweat & Tears
    Michael BoltonGreatest Hits 1985-1995
    BostonBoston
    Pierre BoulezHandel: Water Music; Royal Fireworks Music
    Pierre BoulezBoulez Conducts Ravel
    Dave Brubeck Quartet Time Out
    The ByrdsGreatest Hits
    Mariah Carey#1's
    Charlotte ChurchDream a Dream (North American Version)
    Charlotte ChurchCharlotte Church
    Harry Connick, Jr.We Are In Love
    Aaron CoplandCopland: Appalachian Spring, Billy the Kid, Four Dance Episodes from Rodeo
    Miles DavisKind Of Blue
    Miles Davis'Round About Midnight
    Miles DavisJazz At The Plaza
    Miles DavisBlack Beauty: Miles Davis At Fillmore West
    Miles DavisLive - Evil
    Miles DavisBig Fun
    Miles DavisQuiet Nights
    Miles DavisMiles Smiles
    Miles DavisSketches Of Spain
    Deep ForestComparsa
    John DenverThe Best Of John Denver Live
    Celine DionAll The Way...A Decade of Song
    Divas SoundtrackVH1 Divas Live
    Plácido DomingoThe Three Tenors Christmas
    Bob DylanBlonde On Blonde
    Wind & Fire EarthGratitude
    Duke EllingtonFirst Time! The Count Meets The Duke
    Gloria EstefanAlma Caribeña
    Gloria EstefanGreatest Hits
    Marvin GayeMidnight Love
    Glenn GouldBach: Goldberg Variations, (1981 Digital Recording)
    Glenn GouldBach: Italian Concerto; Partitas Nos.1 & 2
    Glenn GouldBach: Two- and Three-Part Inventions
    Billie HolidayLady In Satin
    Vladimir HorowitzChopin: Piano Sonata No.2; Rachmaninoff: Étude-Tableau, Op.3
    Michael JacksonThriller
    Billy JoelAn Innocent Man
    Billy JoelThe Stranger
    Billy Joel52nd Street
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    JourneyEscape
    KandiHey Kandi...
    Keb' Mo'The Door
    Carole KingTapestry
    Cyndi LauperShe's So Unusual
    Kenny LogginsYesterday, Today, Tomorrow - The Greatest Hits Of Kenny Loggins
    Jennifer LopezOn The 6
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    Yo-Yo MaSolo
    Manhattan transferThe Christmas Album
    Wynton MarsalisMarsalis Standard Time - Volume I
    Wynton MarsalisHot House Flowers
    Wynton MarsalisThe London Concert
    Ricky MartinSound Loaded
    John McLaughlinFriday Night In San Francisco
    Meat LoafBat Out Of Hell
    MidoriMozart: Sinfonia Concertante in E-flat for Violin, Viola and Orchestra; Concerto in D for Violin, Piano and Orchestra
    Charles MingusAh Um
    Thelonious MonkStraight, No Chaser
    Movie SoundtrackMy Fair Lady Soundtrack
    Movie SoundtrackDances With Wolves Original Motion Picture Soundtrack
    Willie NelsonStardust
    Eugene OrmandyVerdi: Messa da Requiem
    Eugene OrmandyOrff: Carmina burana
    Murray PerahiaBach: Goldberg Variations, BWV 988
    Murray PerahiaMozart: Piano Concertos Nos.20 & 27
    Esa-Pekka SalonenBernard Herrmann: The Film Scores
    Santana Abraxas
    Joe SatrianiEngines Of Creation
    The SopranosMusic From The HBO Original Series - Peppers & Eggs
    Isaac SternVivaldi: The Four Seasons; Concertos for Two Violins
    Isaac SternTchaikovsky, Mendelssohn: Violin Concertos
    Igor StravinskyStravinsky: Le Sacre du printemps; L'Oiseau de Feu
    George SzellSchumann: Symphonies Nos.2 and 4; Weber: Oberon Overture
    George SzellSchumann: Symphonies Nos. 1 and 3; Manfred Overture
    George SzellMahler: Symphony No.10; Walton: Partita for Orchestra; Stravinsky: Firebird Suite
    George SzellGrieg: Peer Gynt Suite; Bizet: L'Arlésienne Suite, No.1; Mussorgsky: Pictures / Exhibition
    George SzellDvorák: Symphonies Nos.8 & 9 "From the New World"
    George SzellDvorák: Symphony No. 7, Carnival Overture; Smetana: The Moldau, Bartered Bride, more
    George SzellStrauss Family: Waltzes and Polkas
    George SzellRossini, Auber, Berlioz: Overtures
    George SzellSchubert: Symphony No. 9 "The Great"
    George SzellMendelssohn: Symphony No. 4 "Italian"; The Hebrides Overture
    George SzellMozart: Symphonies Nos. 39 and 40; Exsultate jubilate
    George SzellBeethoven: Symphony No. 3 "Eroica"; Overtures
    George SzellStrauss: Till Eulenspiegel; Don Juan; Tod und Verklärung
    George SzellWagner: Orchestral Music from The Ring of the Nibelung
    George SzellDvorák: Slavonic Dances, Opp.46 & 72
    James TaylorHourglass
    TotoHydra
    TotoToto IV
    Tower Of PowerSoul Vaccination: Tower Of Power Live
    TrainDrops Of Jupiter
    Luther VandrossNever Too Much
    VariousThe Antiphonal Music of Gabrieli
    Stevie Ray VaughanTexas Flood
    Stevie Ray VaughanCouldn't Stand The Weather
    Arcadi VolodosRachmaninoff: Piano Concerto No.3; solo piano works
    Bruno WalterBrahms: Symphony No.4
    Bruno WalterSchubert: Symphony No.8 "Unfinished"; Beethoven: Symphony No.5
    Bruno WalterBeethoven: Symphony No.6 "Pastorale"
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    Grover Washington, Jr.Prime Cuts - The Columbia Years: 1987-1999
    Weather Report Heavy Weather
    zebraheadPlaymate Of The Year
    Coming Soon:
    Roger Waters: In The Flesh Live (SACD)
    and many more.
    Mark
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  7. anthony_b

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    Maybe I should be a little bit more clear. After viewing the amount/selection of titles available at this time I could not convince myself to purchasing one yet (I love to be the first on the block with new toys !!). Of the titles available there isn't a SACD title that I needed to hurry out and get. Maybe someone who has a diferent musical taste would find the titles available more apealing.
     
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    I also am sitting on the fence for that universal player trying not give in to this stupid format war but already have 5 SACD's in my possession. My last three came from MusicDirect (http://www.amusicdirect.com) @ $17.99 each. They have a $10 off $50 offer for your first web order.
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  9. Joe Casey

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    I wholeheartedly agree with Steve and Mark. But then, I got my first DVD player when there were only about 100 DVD's available [​IMG].
    And yes the sound is incredible.
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  10. KeithH

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    Ron, unless you need a new DVD player, I would look at an audio-only SACD player, such as the Sony SCD-CE775 SACD changer for around $300-350. I think you will get a better audio component by eliminating the video circuitry. Build quality on the 'CE775 isn't great, as it isn't an ES product, but reviews I have read have been positive.
    I agree that Sony's mass-market products are no great shakes, but I think Sony has turned it up a few notches, so to speak, with its SACD players. All of Sony's ES SACD players have been a cut above recent ES CD players in terms of build quality and performance, and I would expect a similar superiority from the mass-market SACD players. My feeling is that Sony knows it has a tough road ahead of it to establish SACD in the face of the ubiquitous CD. As a result, Sony has had to put that extra effort into designing its SACD players. As important as it has been to do this with the ES models due to the fact Sony has often been targeting audiophiles there, I feel it is equally important for Sony to design first-rate SACD players for the price when targeting the mass market. In that vein, Sony is using state-of-the-art Burr-Brown DACs in all of its multi-channel SACD players, including the 'CE775.
    With regards to build quality, one thing I have noticed in looking at the 'CE775 in stores is that the carousel mechanism appears identical to that in the SCD-C333ES stereo SACD changer, which I have. I've had no problems whatsoever with the 'C333ES carousel. The multi-channel SCD-C555ES also has this same carousel mechanism.
    No matter which player you get, SACD is a great format, and you should consider jumping in now that prices of players have come down. Without knowing what other equipment you have (amp, speakers), I bet you will be able to hear the improvement afforded by SACDs over CDs anyway. It's true that you may incur the added expense of replacing CDs with SACDs, but SACD software prices have come down (you can always sell off used CDs, if desired). As you may know, many Best Buy stores are stocking the 'CE775 and SACD software. Single-disc stereo SACD releases are $16.99 and single-disc multi-channel SACD releases are $18.99. Two-disc stereo SACD sets, such as the soundtrack to The Sopranos, are $32.99.
    I would head over to your local Best Buy or Circuit City to check out the 'CE775 (note that Circuit City doesn't sell SACD software currently). Where do you live in New Jersey? I ask because the Best Buy in Moorestown (across the street from the Moorestown Mall) still did not have an SACD display ('CE775 or discs) last Sunday. However, the Best Buy in West Windsor (Rt. 1 near Princeton) has the display.
    Best of luck, whatever you decide to do. An easy thing to do might be to pick up the 'CE775 and some discs at a local Best Buy and try out the format at home. You will have 30 days to return the player for a full refund if you don't like it. They won't take the discs back, but you could always unload them on eBay (Sony SACDs aren't hybrids, so no CD layers are included).
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    hey ron:
    you can always jump on the group purchase bandwagon with john, keith, chip, and i for the scd-c555es. of course, even with us it'll still probably be well beyond the $299 price you quoted. maybe you can strong-arm a couple more members into joining the group purchase! haha.
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    Kevin, I guess you didn't see two of my posts recently about the 'C555ES. The list of those wanting in on the group buy is getting smaller. I posted in a reply to you in another thread that Chip already ordered a 'C555ES from Oade Bros. In addition, I ordered one from OneCall today. I mentioned it in my upgrade thread currently on the board. I got the 'C555ES from OneCall for $824 delivered with 12-month same-as-cash financing (no payments, no interest).
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    I turned down an order from an authorized dealer for the SACD MODEL 775 for $283 shipped !!!...I'm holding out for now.
     
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    Ron,
    I demoe'd the 775 a couple of weeks ago and it sounded awesome. I was really impressed. To me it was a bigger jump in sound quality going from cd to sacd than it was from vinyl to cd.
    This was my first experience with a carousel changer and i did not like the clunkiness of it. It was not a refined sounding in its operation. I took it back and told them i would buy a single disc unit in a few months.
    For $300 you can't go wrong. The disc that stood out among the ones they gave me was Doug MacLeod "Unmarked Road".
     
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    "It's generally the case that DVD players don't do as well with CDs as dedicated CD players because of the compromises that have to be made to accomodate both audio and video, or so I've heard. If you already have a DVD player (of course) I think getting a dedicated SACD player would be better. Dunno how good it is, but you can get the Sony SCD-CE775 SACD 5-disc for $350 at local stores. If you just need another DVD player, might as well go with the NS500V and experience SACD while you're at it. It all depends on your motivation, I suppose."
    This is pure speculation and opinion. There has been no scientic listen test that I know of that have determined that DVD players don't do as well with audio as CD players.
    Read October's edition of Sound&Vision magazine, they have an article on SACD, DVD, CD etc. and if sonic differences can actually be heard between those formats.
     
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    Jaleel,
    Hmmmmm......I guess if it isn't published it isn't so. But at the same time, a recent article in the The Evening Standard, London's most popular daily, basically said that there is no difference in sound quality between SACD, DVD-A, MP3, CD-R, or CD. Do you beleive that too?
    Also, I'm curious: have you ever listened to SACD? In a stand-alone player? In a combo player? With an analog bypass? Or is your judgement based solely on what is NOT printed?
    I just recently compared (last night) my friends Sony 9000 combo player to my XA777 SACD-only player in my system. Guess what? There was a difference and it wasn't subtle. Which was better would be purely subjective. But ours (and a few others) objective opinions were there was a definite difference. There. Its in print.
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    Jaleel said:
    quote: This is pure speculation and opinion. There has been no scientic listen test that I know of that have determined that DVD players don't do as well with audio as CD players.[/quote]
    Obviously, evaluations of the quality of components are opinions. One doesn't need to follow "The Scientific Method" rigorously to determine whether he or she prefers the sound from a CD player or a DVD player. The argument can be made that double-blind tests be conducted, but I have said to you before, such painstaking procedures need not always be followed. At times, the difference in sound quality is so significant, that all one has to do is listen to two players for a minute or two each to draw a conclusion. Volume has nothing to do with it. Simple relative quality does.
    The idea that many DVD players are lacking as CD players is nothing new. Respected reviewers state it all the time. My Technics DVD-A10 DVD-Audio player is no great shakes as a CD player. I find my Denon DCM-370 CD changer at $250 to be better than the 'A10 that cost me $380 and originally retailed for $1200. I didn't buy the 'A10 for CD playback, however. If the 'A10 could not play CDs, I wouldn't care. Also, my Pioneer CLD-D406 LD player is by far the worst CD player I have ever owned. Even as a transport to my Sony STR-V444ES receiver, the 'D406 is awful (other players sound quite good when used as transports to the 'V444ES, so the blame lies squarely on the 'D406).
    There are no absolutes, however. It is possible for a DVD player to be a good CD player. Although I haven't compared it rigorously to comparably priced dedicated CD players, the Integra DPS-9.1 DVD-Audio player is a very good CD player. If I were in the market for a do-it-all-type machine, I would be very happy with the '9.1.
    It is speculation that the Sony DVP-NS500V is not the ideal choice for an SACD player when compared to comparably priced audio-only SACD players, but that speculation is based on countless observations and reviews that DVD players playing CDs do not stack up to comparably priced dedicated CD players. Again, this is nothing new.
    Compromises are commonly observed in audio, hence the desire by many high-end companies to keep things simple. If stereo music is the goal, often times, monoblock amps with a pre-amp is better than a power amp and a pre-amp is better than an integrated amp is better than a stereo receiver is better than a home-theater receiver at a given price point. Does this always hold true? Probably not, but it is often observed. Likewise, a single-disc CD player is better than a carousel changer is better than a megachanger at a given price point. Always true? Probably not, but often is.
    It is commonly held that video circuitry, which is unnecessary for CD or SACD playback, leads to compromises in and interference with the audio circuitry. If you are a designer interested in making a quality CD player at a restricted budget of $500, it is likely you will have make certain compromises if DVD capability is to be included. It is likely that you will have to use cheaper parts for the audio section and will not be able to lay out the audio circuitry optimally to include video circuitry within the specified budget.
    Note that in reviews, a reviewer is not usually surprised to get good CD performance from a CD player relative to comparably priced CD players, but is surprised to get good CD performance from a DVD player relative to comparably priced CD players. It's not that DVD players can't be good CD players, but it's not commonly observed.
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    Ron,
    The bottom line here is the following:
    Do you sit and critically listen to music?
    Or do you listen to music casually or as background? Unless you are critical listener I don't think any high quality audio format is going to make a meaningful difference over CD. Just my opinion.
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