More Hybrids than You Think!

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  1. Lee Scoggins

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    Friends,

    Stephen Best of SACDinfo.com has compiled an interesting list of breakdowns of the type of Super Audio discs available in hybrid format and in pure DSD recording.

    Check out: http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/hi...es/125164.html

    I am surprised how many hybrids are in his survey. He has most of the European and US discs but not all of Asia.

    I think this indicates that there are more than is commonly believed.

    I also was surprised to see the large number of DSD recordings but then again, many DSD recording have been going on since 1999 and particularly picked up speed in 2001 according to my sources.

    The hybrid count will only grow given Sony's recent commitments.

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    I hope this is all accurate and I hope that BLOWS AGAINST THE EMPIRE by Jefferson Starship is amongst the second wave. It be's me's favourite. Best wishess!
     
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    This is great news. JA was one of my favorite 60s group. I will definitely be purchasing some of theirs in SACD format. I am anxious for Crown of Creation, my personal favorite.
     
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    At least speaking for myself, I wasn't as concerned with the pure number of hybrids vs not, it was with which titles were not hybrids and from whom, particularly Sony, the co-inventor and largest producer of SACDs.

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    Mike, excellent point. It's also worth noting that for the vast majority of hybrid SACDs, a standard CD counterpart is more readily available. The standard CDs are usually cheaper than the hybrids too. Therefore, one can't really say that hybrid SACDs are seeing significant market penetration.
     
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    Mike, I agree with you. Many of today's remastered CDs sound excellent. This is not to say that the corresponding SACDs are no better. They are. However, no one is going to convince that today's CD technology is inadequate for the average listener.

    The Sonny Rollins SACD is an unusual case since it is coming from a specialist label and not the major label. I still feel that the average jazz listener will buy whatever CD the major label provides, regardless of sound quality, and not the SACD for $25-30 through Elusive Disc, Acoustic Sounds, or Music Direct. The fact remains that the average listener is not aware of MFSL or SACD. MFSL SACDs are not available at Best Buy and Circuit City. Availability aside, the average music listener is not going to pay $25-30 for one disc. Such people, and I know and respect many, do not place a premium on sound quality.

    I work with someone I would place in the "average jazz listener" category. He loves jazz and is quite knowledgable. He owns loads of jazz CDs. Given his love of jazz, he had never heard about SACD until I mentioned it to him, and he showed no interest in it. He knows I enjoy audio, so he asked me recently about stereo equipment. It turns out he is looking to get a shelf system with a 50-disc CD changer. It should be obvious that this individual would be perfectly happy with the standard Rollins CD for $10.

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    Lee, he would proably think twice, thrice, and beyond about spending on equipment what you have and the average music buyer doesn't want to pay more than $10 for an audio disc. You've never come to accept these simple truths.[​IMG] I am an audio-vidiot, you are an audio-vidiot. [​IMG] We're on a different wavelength than the average consumer, or maybe a parallel universe...?[​IMG] The record companies wish everybody was like us!
     
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    Lee, the individual I was referring to loves jazz but is not enamored with sound quality. I have not him over to hear jazz in my systems at this point. I'm sure he would be impressed. Actually, I am confident that he would be impressed with the sound quality of CD in my systems. However, as I have said numerous times, it's one thing to be impressed. It's something completely different to be impressed enough and to care enough to then go out and make an investment in quality audio equipment. My colleague has hundreds of jazz CDs. I could play some of his music on my better system, and I am confident that it will sound far better than anything he has ever heard. However, I am quite certain that will not drive him to upgrade. Likewise, I could play some Miles Davis SACDs, but I know it would not get him to upgrade. Remember, he is looking to get a shelf system. He just wants something that is cheap and can play CDs.

    Most people are happy with the sound from mediocre systems. So long as they work (no static, no skipping, etc.), they are happy. They are also unwilling to spend big money on equipment.
     
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    I'm not quite sure if what a few thousand music freaks are thinking in chat rooms today is going to translate what the rest of us will think in the future.

    I really can't picture my 85-year old grandmother asking me if I know of any good polka SACDs, because the midrange on her old cassettes is just unacceptable. (But she *does* own a DVD player, b/c of all the many improvemants over VHS; but this has more to do with the convienence factors & extras more than anything else). The improvements of DVD over VHS are enormous compared to the improvements of SACD over CD for the general population.

    Hi-rez music (either SACD, DVD-A, LPs, or whatever comes next) will always be for the music hobbiest. Multi-channel? Maybe it'll fly, but I sure as hell wouldn't put any money on it.

    Rob
     
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