Goldsmith - GLADIATOR rejected score? (1 Viewer)

[Patrick Mirza]

Did Jerry Goldsmith write an initial rejected score to Gladiator?
There's someone on Morpheus who thinks so...
Am I missing something?
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[Tom-G]

I don't believe so, Patrick. I could be wrong, though. It would have been better if Goldsmith did the score. I loathe Hans Zimmer's over-the-top style.
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[Dan Brecher]

No, well, yes... just not for Ridley Scott's movie. It was rejected for the 1992 Cuba Gooding Jr. boxing drama, also titled Gladiator.
I agree with, Tom, though. Wish he bloody well had scored Scott's movie.
Dan (UK)

 

[Neil S. Bulk]

It would have been better if Goldsmith did the score.

I don't think you'll ever see Goldsmith score another Ridely Scott film after what happened with both Alien and Legend.
Neil
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[Chauncey_G]

I agree and disagree with the opinions stated on Zimmer's score.
1) I agree that his scores usually tend to go over the top, and therefore are better suited to relatively brainless but entertaining BIG action films (so that you can hear the music over the explosions )
2) I also find the Gladiator score to be my favorite Zimmer score. I think it's because of his partnership with Lisa Gerrard. Getting someone else in there to add a new sound to the increasingly cliche Zimmer riffs was really nice. I think Gerrard's and Zimmer's styles mixed really well to create a very nice album.

 

[cafink]

I don't think you'll ever see Goldsmith score another Ridely Scott film after what happened with both Alien and Legend.

What happened?

 

[Neil S. Bulk]

What happened?

Most of Goldsmiths score for Alien was either not used at all in the film or it was used in different scenes for which they were written. In other cases, music that had been temp-tracked on the print (from Goldsmith's own score to Freud) wound up in place of new music he had written for the movie. The end credit cue that he wrote (which is re-recorded all the time) is not even in the movie. Instead, an excerpt from Howard Hansons's 2nd Symphony ("The Romantic") is played at the end.
On Legend, Goldsmiths entire score was thrown out when the film was released in the US, and replaced with a new score by Tangerine Dream.
Neil
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[Hubert]

I thought Zimmer's Gladiator score was absolutely incredible. Great stuff indeed. Never cared for Goldsmith. I love John Williams. I also thought Zimmer's The Rock score and the Pearl Harbor score were very good as well. I didn't care for the Armageddon score. I think he did that one too. He does most of Bays' movies.

 

[TheLongshot]

On Legend, Goldsmiths entire score was thrown out when the film was released in the US, and replaced with a new score by Tangerine Dream.

To be fair, I think that had more to do with the fact that Tom Cruise was in the film and movie executives wanted a more modern sounding soundtrack. He did get on the European version, tho I think it suffered some of the indignaties that his Alien score did.
I'm looking forward to the new Legend DVD. I have Goldsmith's soundtrack and I'm interested in hearing it in context.
Jason
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[Dan Brecher]

I didn't care for the Armageddon score. I think he did that one too.

No, that was Trevor Rabin and Harry Gregson Williams. Zimmer scored only a fraction of the Pearl Harbour score too, though took credit for all of it which didn't make him too popular. Ironicaly what's good in the PH score is usualy found to be the work of (I think) Steve Jablonsky.
Dan (UK)

 

[Richard_Huntington]

I think Hanz Zimmer's GLADIATOR score is outstanding. One of the best scores of the last 10 years.
With LEGEND, it was the studio that replaced the score. Not Scott, who objected. Goldsmith's score will be restored into the Ridley Scott director's cut.

But it isn't all that great. It's a good score, but not comparible to his best work.
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[Kenneth English]

Yeah, this Morpheus guy's thinking of that terrible 1992 boxing movie GLADIATOR (directed by the guy who did Patrick Swayze's magnum opus ROAD HOUSE).
There's an excellent bootleg CD of Goldsmith's rejected score available (paired with his score for HOOSIERS). It's pretty good and much better than what actually ended up in the film (by Brad Fiedel).

 

[Roby Adams]

Wasn't there a Goldsmith score for 2001 that was thrown out as well? I heard that Kubrick used the classical pieces for the temp score and liked them so much he kept them in.
As a side note: I recently got a copy of the rejected Ennio Morricone score for "What Dreams May Come" and it is fantastic.
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[Agee Bassett]

That was Alex North.
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[Roby Adams]

quote: That was Alex North.[/quote]
My bad. You are correct sir.
Goldsmith 'did' have rejected scores for Alien Nation (which parts of turned up in The Russia House of all places.) and 2 Days in the Valley.
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[Neil S. Bulk]

Wasn't there a Goldsmith score for 2001 that was thrown out as well?

As stated above, that was Alex North, but Jerry Goldsmith conducted North's score for the Varese Sarabande release.
Neil
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[Roby Adams]

As stated above, that was Alex North, but Jerry Goldsmith conducted North's score for the Varese Sarabande release.

THANK YOU SIR! I knew I didn't pull Jerry's name out of my ass on that one. Thanks for the clarification.
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[Brad_W]

I loved Zimmer's score for The Prince of Egypt. I also didn't mind his score for Gladiator.
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[cafink]

As a side note: I recently got a copy of the rejected Ennio Morricone score for "What Dreams May Come" and it is fantastic.

Where did you get it from? On what format? CD? Tape?
I've been dying to hear Morricone's score, how did you manage to come across it?

 

[todd stone]

the tangerine score was alot better anyway for that movie.