"Custom DIY sub" alternative

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  1. Craig_B

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    After much reading on this and other forums it appears to be the general consensus that DIY subs offer the biggest "bang for the buck" followed by offerings from SVS, Adire and Hsu (the later three being in no particular order). However, due to my limited woodworking skills and general lack of free time, I was not ready to tackle a DIY sub project, so several members suggested an alternative, which was to have someone who knows what they are doing build me a "DIY" sub.

    Two names came up several times, Kyle Richardson of Acoustic Visions and Brian Bunge of Rutledge Audio Design. I contacted both gentleman and they are both very knowledgeable and came up with relatively similar sub designs based on my goals. My goals were to at least match and hopefully outperform the comparably priced SVS 20-39CS+/S1000 package and Hsu VTF-3 (which both offer incredible price to performance ratios) at a lower cost (less than their $850 to $1,000 price tags), while keeping within my size constraints (less than 26" in height).

    Both of the proposed designs included a 15" driver (Tempest or DVC) in 175L to 195L ported boxes with a 250 watt plate amp (Adire or PE). While I would not hesitate to have either one build me a sub, I ended up going with Brian as he is local here in the Atlanta area and Kyle indicated shipping on such a large box would be prohibitive (although he did offer a flat kit which I could assemble myself).

    The sub Brian is building for me is currently designed as follows:

    “A Dayton DVC 15" in a 175L enclosure stuffed with 64oz. of polyfill. A single 4" dual flared port and a Parts Express 250W plate amp (#300-794). The amp has actually be measured at 280W at 4 ohms, so I'm going with that for input power in the simulations. The sub should be capable of around 107.7dB at 20Hz (anechoic) and should get up over 110dB in room. You won't have to worry about bottoming out at all with this much power and it should be pretty musical. You can still stuff the port and should get a Qtc around .53. That's a little low so it may be underwhelming, but I imagine you'll run it with the port open most of the time. You can always experiment.”

    The sub will be downward firing and measure 25.5” x 25.5” x 25.5” inclusive of 4” legs. It will have a wood veneer finish stained black to match the rest of my speakers.

    Anyway, I appreciate all the knowledge I have gained while reading this forum and will try to give a little back by updating this post with the progress of the project (Brian said he will send me some photos of the work in progress) and finally a review of the finished product.
     
  2. Dave Poehlman

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    Please do keep us posted on the progress and your review of the results. For most of us, once we build a sub or two, it's usually not very practical to build more.. so we have to live vicariously through other users. [​IMG]
     
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    What's the tuning on that design?

    That's almost exactly like my sub except I used a tempest in a sonotube design. 175L single 4" dual-flared port 14" long tuned to 17.5hz, 64oz stuffing. This gives me a Q=.577 and is very clean and tight. You'll love this sub!
     
  4. Brian Bunge

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    Jeff,

    Yep, tuned to 17.5Hz. Is the 14" the full length of the port once assembled?

    Brian
     
  5. Jedd

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    If you can live with sealed sonotube 24"x2' and have sabresaw - you should be all-set. You do not need any woodworking skills, only a pair of strong vibration-resistant hands. [​IMG]
    And it will look pretty neat. (where is may camera, where is my camera.. [​IMG])
    Ported one is more complex, you need much more instruments and skills to do it. But should be "no match" for Brian or Kyle. [​IMG]
     
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  7. Brian Bunge

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    Jeff,

    Thanks. Unibox is giving me around 13" length so I wanted to double check with those that had already built this enclosure to see what they used.

    Brian
     
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    I asked Dan specifically about this because he said 13" port but told me to cut the center piece 8". The flares add up to 6" and 8+6=14", I didn't get it. Which was it 13" or 14". He said due to the flared ends, you have to make the port 1" longer than you use in the sim. I said to myself: OK, you're Dan Wiggins, you would know better than anyone about this.[​IMG] So I just took his advise.
    Didn't Hank build the same sub too? I know there were a couple others that used this design.
     
  9. Brian Bunge

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    Yes, Hank built it too. I just wanted to make sure because Unibox is saying 13" even with the dual flared ends. I'd rather take Dan's word over Unibox!

    Brian
     

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