Well, me + wife + 1 yr old + mother in law + seeing eye dog + brother in law = 1 minivan, please.... I have now confirmed the finance office double-team. Everything was going great the the Kia dealership until we go to the finance office. It was a brand new dealership that had just opened the day before. Anyways, here comes Mr. Finance and his 'buddy'. "I'm learning the computer. " The double team didn't come into effect until they wanted to sell me an extended warranty on a vehicle with 10/100,000 powertrain and 5/60,000 bumper to bumper. I must have told them three times that I didn't want it. They kept pressing me by telling me that the bank would give me a lower interest rate if the vehicle was protected for the entire length of the loan. Well, genius, it already IS COVERED FROM THE FACTORY FOR 5 YEARS! They wanted to sell me a 10/100,000 mile bumper to bumper warranty for $1300!!!! They finally gave up when we started to walk out. Oh, and by the way, Mr. "I'm learning the computer" seemed to know more about the computer than the guy running the computer. He should, since he used to work at the dealership where I bought my Avalanche a few months back. Oh, and he was still learning the computer then, too..... In the end, we got a decent deal on the minivan, fully loaded 2003 Kia Sedona ($22,000).