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Discussion in 'After Hours Lounge (Off Topic)' started by David Von Pein, Jul 25, 2007.
This is the first I've heard about the trial coming out on DVD. Excellent find DVP!
A good "On Trial" value: Education/General Interest - On Trial: Lee Harvey Oswald Not Rated / MPI Home Video / DVD
Do they even teach about the assassination anymore in schools? With so much debate over this historical subject, how can anyone teach this objectively?
There is no debate except among kooks and crackpots selling books.
Objectively, there is no debate.
While this is off topic it does relate somewhat to the JFK assassination. Last week Mythbusters did a whole hour on whether the moon landing was faked or not. Since then the boards on their site are flooded with people saying they did nothing but confirm their belief in the fakery. I've been thinking about this and came to a conclusion I'm sure others have had too. That if disbelieving everything, especially governent, is part of your worldview (Hi Oliver!) nothing will EVER change that. Even if a re-animated LHO confessed to these folks himself they would say HE was on the take too. Please people, it's hard enough to teach history when "facts" are constantly disputed for the most inane reasons. Oswald shot JFK, he wanted to be somebody, and ya know what, he won that round didn't he?
That Mythbusters was great. The simple model using a spotlight as the sun to disprove the the "non-parallel" rock shadows was great. As was Adam "walking like a spaceman" on the commercial version of The Vomit Comet. Besides the 9/11 sickos (and they are sick to think the things they do), the faked lunar landing bozos have to be some of the worst CT's out there. Besides the definitive proof of the laser reflector, do these clowns really think the USSR (who monitored the flight and never uttered a word about a faked landing) are in on the hoax?
I find it funny how people use the term conspiracy theorist as sounding like it's something negative.
Yeah, because being paranoid, dellusional and allergic to facts and logic are all such positive attributes. Regards, Joe
Please forgive me, I haven't had a chance to read through this whole topic yet, but I just want to be sure of one thing: do people here think Buglusi's book about the JFK assassination is "accurate?" On the money? As right as rain?
Those of use who read it objectively think it is right as rain, mostly due to the sheer volume of irrefutable facts. Those who subscribe to wacky theories and cuckoo conspiracies will never be convinced by anything except their own delusions.
Care to express your reasons for thinking it should sound like something positive?
If only there wasn't that "magic bullet" in the mix. Even ballistic experts say it is impossible for one bullet to do that much damage, and to be in such pristine condition afterward. Had that one bullet not be in existence, the naysayers wouldn't have a leg to stand on. However, that bullet does exist, and it is enough for people to shout "conspiracy." Do people here discount the bullet?
True ballistics experts say no such thing. The bullet was not "pristine"; it was dented at the tip, deformed at the base, and the cross section was warped to an ellipse shape. Being FMJ ammo, the final condition of the bullet was perfectly plausible, giving the injuries inflicted. Matter of fact, The Discovery Channel duplicated the "magic bullet" shot almost exactly, using simulated human torsos, and the final result was a similarly deformed "pristine" bullet. http://www.kenrahn.com/JFK/issues_an...ne_bullet.html
Only crackpots and kooks who are willfully ignorant subscribe to the insane "magic bullet" hogwash. The single bullet is well documented with irrefutable evidence by legitimate experts.
The official story of the JFK Assassination was theorized as a man that conspired (planned in secret) to kill the president. The official story was a conspiracy theory (Until he was convicted, than it was no longer a conspiracy theory, it's now considered a conspiracy fact). The official story of the 9/11 attacks was theorized as an overseas group that conspired to hijack planes and crash them into well-known American landmarks (The Twin Towers, The Pentagon, and possibly the White House.) The official story is a conspiracy theory. If you find that a few dollars have been missing every morning from your wallet, and you suspect one of your kids has been conspiring to steal money from your wallet every night, than you have your own conspiracy theory. So are we all "paranoid, dellusional and allergic to facts and logic"? Or are we all just curious human beings that can, and have the right to, have/announce our own opinions?
I have this book on order, and will get it soon - but I wonder...did Bugluosi ever come up with why Oswald, a guy who never met John Kennedy in his life, would want to kill such a nice guy. Even before he was President, Jack Kennedy was a cool dude. Nobody would want to kill him!
And I guess it was just good shootin' that avoided Jackie joining Jack in the grave. Even Connellay was hit, and he was sitting all the way in the front! Well, I'm glad Jackie wasn't shot because she was a very nice lady, and a good mother to her children. Had she been killed too, Caroline and John would have been raised by - gasp! - Ethel! Ethel, with 11 children of her own, the wild bunch. Or maybe they would have wound up with Ted.
Connally was not sitting in the front seat of the vehicle. He was sitting in a jump seat immediately to the front and slightly below and to the left of Kennedy. He was struck by a bullet that hit Kennedy in the upper back and exited from his throat. It keyholed through Connally's back, exited his chest, hit and shattered his wrist and came to rest slightly embedded in his leg. It fell out of his leg onto a gurney at Parkland Hospital. Kennedy was the target, Connally was collateral damage. By the way, the famous scene in JFK when Garrison guides the "magic bullet" through twists and turns that defied physics was only possible because both Garrison and Stone neglected to actually look at the jump seat and realize that Connally was both slightly below and to the left of Kennedy. If they had positioned the men correctly in the vehicle, the ballistic path of the bullet would have drawn a line straight back from Connoley's wrist wound, through his chest wound, straight back through Kennedy's neck wound, out his upper back and . . . directly back to the window of the "sniper's nest" on the sixth floor of the Book Depository. :
Oh and by the way BobbyG . . . learn some history. Oswald was never convicted. He was shot before they even got through interrogating him. No one has ever been convicted in the murder of JFK. Allergy to facts indeed.