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Over the past few years I’ve been scanning all of my negs and transparencies going back to my first images, when i was probably 7-8 years old.

Once I got into my early teens, I shot with a Zeiss Contax, then later with Nikons, going through each incarnation, Rollei, Bronica, Hasselblad.

Currently shooting a Sony a7 Rv, which allows VistaVision at 61 mp.
Once I got into my early teens, I shot with a Zeiss Contax, then later with Nikons, going through each incarnation, Rollei, Bronica, Hasselblad
Hasselblad ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Zeiss❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

That Sony is an excellent camera.

I almost went for that until I found someone on eBay who was willing to part with his Fuji GFX100S for 4K flat-shipping included.

He was upgrading to a Hasselblad medium format for 8 grand.
Too pricey for me.

BTW, did you hear Zeiss? No more lens manufacturing?
 

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Hasselblad ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Zeiss❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

That Sony is an excellent camera.

I almost went for that until I found someone on eBay who was willing to part with his Fuji GFX100S for 4K flat-shipping included.

He was upgrading to a Hasselblad medium format for 8 grand.
Too pricey for me.

BTW, did you hear Zeiss? No more lens manufacturing?
I did not. My dad was the importer beginning just after WWII. I grew up with that glass, Tessars, Distagons, Sonnars…
 

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I did not. My dad was the importer beginning just after WWII. I grew up with that glass, Tessars, Distagons, Sonnars…
Really???
oh my God, that's incredible
OK, I'm looking into this comment further because a friend passed it on to me over the summer time and I found this link which in short states that Zeis does not want to confirm they are leaving the LENS manufacturing marketplace

However, the pandemic hit them hard and they have to consider the future of the company and the financials. Therefore, there's a chance there is some truth to this, but they won't make an official statement on it.

I bough my first Zeiss used , 35 mm f/2.0 distagom.
It’s yielded some phenomenal photos for me.

Very fast, LENS with great depth of field
and the clarity

See the link below:
 

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Some of the most stunning UHD BDs stem from 2K DIs.

4K native can be more detailed, depending on the source and how it was filmed, but HDR, wider color gamut, 10 bit, and potentially better compression (vs BD) are the bigger factors of the format by a long shot. Don't sweat it.
Yes, HDR and 10 bit color are usually the best improvements in a good UHD disc, not the increased resolution.
 

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This is one the finest technical threads that I’ve had the pleasure to read on HTF. An education. A challenge, in all the best senses. And a definite re-read from start to a hopeful far away finish, as more posts become added. Endlessly fascinating.
 
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I guess this thread's OP is done with the original intent for this thread by discussing specific series and movies in a way that has nothing in common with the original subject matter.
 

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I’m going to assume that the 4K UHD I got a few weeks ago of Flash Gordon was a 2K negative as is being discussed in this conversation
 

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I’m going to assume that the 4K UHD I got a few weeks ago of Flash Gordon was a 2K negative as is being discussed in this conversation
The 1980 film? This is from The Digital Bits.

"For this 40th anniversary Ultra HD release from Arrow Video, a new 16-bit 4K scan and restoration of the original camera negative was done by StudioCanal and finished as a true 4K Digital Intermediate with color grading in Dolby Vision and HDR10."
 

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The 1980 film? This is from The Digital Bits.

"For this 40th anniversary Ultra HD release from Arrow Video, a new 16-bit 4K scan and restoration of the original camera negative was done by StudioCanal and finished as a true 4K Digital Intermediate with color grading in Dolby Vision and HDR10."
Ah, another 40 wacks from the film murderer! Hitchcock always felt that scissors were better.
 

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I guess this thread's OP is done with the original intent for this thread by discussing specific series and movies in a way that has nothing in common with the original subject matter.
Yes, we did stray a bit Rob, on the Battlestar Galactica part I couldn’t help myself.

but this thread was started to ask about 2K digital intermediate being the source for 4K physical media at the onset.

This thread ended up becoming a phenomenal source of information.
 

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The 1980 film? This is from The Digital Bits.

"For this 40th anniversary Ultra HD release from Arrow Video, a new 16-bit 4K scan and restoration of the original camera negative was done by StudioCanal and finished as a true 4K Digital Intermediate with color grading in Dolby Vision and HDR10."
16 Bit 4K scan of the OCN!!!!!
That's what I'm talking about. That's amazing
Beautiful!!!
 

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Wes, all very exciting. And I did laugh when you said you fired yours up again. I think I finished S1 ep 12 last week, so I should hit last ep 13 (they are at a relative's house, across town where we are watching together - all for the first time! We love it!).

Thank you for the list, because as I started to look into this, I realized there are some confusing seasons/movies/webisodes/ etc. Really enjoying the high definition, and lossless audio - all a richer experience. Anyway, so your list is terrific, and I will try to use as reference via the initial confusion (pant, pant, pant). Kind thanks for the list! Here is the
Home Theater Forum's discussions on some past release.

Again, this was all from the recommendation of Digitalbits.com's Bill Hunt that he posted randomly on Facebook! Here is his review: BATTLESTAR GALACTICA: THE DEFINITIVE COLLECTION (WITH CAPRICA) (AUSTRALIAN IMPORT) (BLU-RAY REVIEW) of the box set, that I found from him. Now I'm wishing I could watch the 2004+ reboot with you in a killer home theater!! Wouldn't that be a dream. Always fun to see something with a mega fan, alas, you are across the United States. Anyway, thanks again, and I'm looking forward to more. I need to check out season 2 this weekend from the Eugene Public Library. All so much fun. ...I hope there are more fights :emoji_upside_down:

let's talk Shop
I'm on episode three season two
 

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I'm halfway through the 4K Blu-ray of "Casino Royale" (2K DI from Super 35mm) and I find it very processed, with halos and poor sharpness. Most likely the fault of the DI, not the disc itself, but it wasn't as obvious back in the day projected on 35mm.
 

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35mm theatrical release prints typically had something approximate to 720p worth of resolution, which means that a 2K DI master file still contained more information than what an audience was actually seeing in projection. On top of that, factor in the optics of the lenses on the projector, normal dust and dirt acculturating on the projection booth window, gate weave on the projector, minor vibrations on the unit, the angle of the projector relative to the screen, etc., etc., as things that further reduced perceived resolution.

Home viewers now have the technical capability to view movies at much higher resolutions with much more attention to detail than had been possible in commercial theaters for the first century of the medium’s existence. That’s not always a good thing. We’re viewing these movies on systems that are beyond the limitations that these movies were created to exist within.
 

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35mm theatrical release prints typically had something approximate to 720p worth of resolution, which means that a 2K DI master file still contained more information than what an audience was actually seeing in projection. On top of that, factor in the optics of the lenses on the projector, normal dust and dirt acculturating on the projection booth window, gate weave on the projector, minor vibrations on the unit, the angle of the projector relative to the screen, etc., etc., as things that further reduced perceived resolution.

Home viewers now have the technical capability to view movies at much higher resolutions with much more attention to detail than had been possible in commercial theaters for the first century of the medium’s existence. That’s not always a good thing. We’re viewing these movies on systems that are beyond the limitations that these movies were created to exist within.
Great post!
 

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35mm theatrical release prints typically had something approximate to 720p worth of resolution, which means that a 2K DI master file still contained more information than what an audience was actually seeing in projection. On top of that, factor in the optics of the lenses on the projector, normal dust and dirt acculturating on the projection booth window, gate weave on the projector, minor vibrations on the unit, the angle of the projector relative to the screen, etc., etc., as things that further reduced perceived resolution.

Home viewers now have the technical capability to view movies at much higher resolutions with much more attention to detail than had been possible in commercial theaters for the first century of the medium’s existence. That’s not always a good thing. We’re viewing these movies on systems that are beyond the limitations that these movies were created to exist within.
Rock on

I say bring it
 

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