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Patton Blu-Ray remaster in the works


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#1 of 73 OFFLINE   RobertR

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Posted April 27 2011 - 01:40 PM

An update from The Digital Bits:

We've spoken with the good folks at 20th Century Fox and have learned that they ARE in fact working on a new HD master of Patton. It appears that it will NOT be included on the 5/10 Blu-ray re-issue of the title, however the studio tells me they ARE working to make it available on Blu-ray to all of you sometime before the end of the year. We'll post all the official details as soon as the studio provides them. Just know that a new remastered Blu-ray IS coming later this year and we'll let you know more when release plans are set.

 

I'm SO glad I didn't listen to those who told people essentially "Hey, take whatever Fox shoves at you and be happy".




#2 of 73 ONLINE   Powell&Pressburger

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Posted April 27 2011 - 01:45 PM

I don't understand why they would waste their time and money with this re-issue. They should cancel the upcoming re-issue and opt for releasing it once the new HD transfer is completed.


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#3 of 73 OFFLINE   benbess

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Posted April 27 2011 - 01:51 PM

Better late than never!



#4 of 73 OFFLINE   dana martin

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Posted April 27 2011 - 01:53 PM

wonder if this will end up being like Gladiator, where you can get the Blu Book, and then exchange it for a correct disc?


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#5 of 73 OFFLINE   JoHud

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Posted April 27 2011 - 02:42 PM



Originally Posted by Powell&Pressburger 

I don't understand why they would waste their time and money with this re-issue. They should cancel the upcoming re-issue and opt for releasing it once the new HD transfer is completed.


Yes, it is very odd that they did not push back the Digibook version for this new master.  Did they really have to make that Memorial Day deadline?  Does there really have to be 3 separate bluray releases of Patton?


Regardless, I am very happy to hear a better version is coming along.  Maybe it will be packaged with a remaster of The Longest Day, which suffered a similar abomination of a release.




#6 of 73 OFFLINE   Scott Merryfield

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Posted April 28 2011 - 12:41 AM

This is disappointing news. I do not understand why Fox would re-release such a poor transfer when the remaster is in the works.


In any case, I just canceled my order at Amazon.



#7 of 73 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted April 28 2011 - 04:49 AM



Originally Posted by Scott Merryfield 

This is disappointing news. I do not understand why Fox would re-release such a poor transfer when the remaster is in the works.


In any case, I just canceled my order at Amazon.



Same with me, not a good decision customer service-wise when it comes to producing a quality product.



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#8 of 73 OFFLINE   Mark-P

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Posted April 28 2011 - 05:40 AM

Jeez, I wonder if Amazon just saw a ton of pre-orders get cancelled? It doesn't make sense to me why they would reissue the "bad" master again with full knowledge that they were going to correct it a few months later. Each release costs money to produce, why wouldn't they just cancel the May release and focus their efforts on the upcoming remaster? Unless of course they have a huge stockpile of discs from the first release that they are sticking into the Blu-ray book to use up the inventory. That would at least make sense.



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Posted April 28 2011 - 09:16 AM




Jeez, I wonder if Amazon just saw a ton of pre-orders get cancelled? It doesn't make sense to me why they would reissue the "bad" master again with full knowledge that they were going to correct it a few months later. Each release costs money to produce, why wouldn't they just cancel the May release and focus their efforts on the upcoming remaster? Unless of course they have a huge stockpile of discs from the first release that they are sticking into the Blu-ray book to use up the inventory. That would at least make sense.



Most on this forum (and the few others there) probably wouldn't have pre-ordered it until the reviews come out

Those not on these forums would propably have no idea in the first place


Originally Posted by Mark-P 

Jeez, I wonder if Amazon just saw a ton of pre-orders get cancelled? It doesn't make sense to me why they would reissue the "bad" master again with full knowledge that they were going to correct it a few months later. Each release costs money to produce, why wouldn't they just cancel the May release and focus their efforts on the upcoming remaster? Unless of course they have a huge stockpile of discs from the first release that they are sticking into the Blu-ray book to use up the inventory. That would at least make sense.






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Posted April 28 2011 - 10:08 AM



Originally Posted by GMpasqua 





Most on this forum (and the few others there) probably wouldn't have pre-ordered it until the reviews come out

Those not on these forums would propably have no idea in the first place






That's at least in the neighborhood of 'predatory', no? Yes, those that don't know, don't care. But Fox knows, and they know they have a remaster coming down the pike. Sounds like an ethical issue (for as far as these things go).




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Posted April 28 2011 - 12:18 PM

I wouldn't say those that don't know wouldn't care. They may care, they just aren't informed.  How many Walmart shoppers actually read Disc reviews?


FOX does know, and yes, FOX is probably better off waiting for the remaster. It's sneaky when they know they're releasing a remaster, but remember "Let the buyer beware"



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Posted April 29 2011 - 02:29 AM

All this does at least suggest that Patton is selling well.  The only reason I can think of to rerelease the old version is to avoid losing sales from lack of stock or to take advantage of the anniversary prior to the remaster coming out.  Also, my thought on the whole issue of the extra-smooth, nongrain treatment of the original release is that I think Fox fell for the taste test fallacy.  That is, I have heard that focus groups were shown grain and nongrain versions of films and chose the nongrain version as the preferred one.  However, these types of tests often lead people to focus on some particulary obvious aspect of the sample and single it as their supposed preference even if, over time, they might not really prefer it.  Back in the 1970s when Pepsi had the Pepsi challenge, most people said they preferred Pepsi to Coke largely because they focused on the greater sugar in Pepsi.  However, over time, people really tend to prefer Coke and now both Coke and diet Coke lead Pepsi in sales (no offense to Pepsi fans).



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Posted April 29 2011 - 02:35 AM




Originally Posted by GMpasqua 

I wouldn't say those that don't know wouldn't care. They may care, they just aren't informed.  How many Walmart shoppers actually read Disc reviews?


FOX does know, and yes, FOX is probably better off waiting for the remaster. It's sneaky when they know they're releasing a remaster, but remember "Let the buyer beware"



You are absolutely correct.  I first read of the May release not being re-mastered at Digital Bits, but I guarantee most people that live in Sullgent, AL don't read Digital Bits or HTF, but they do go to Wal-Mart.



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Posted April 29 2011 - 03:02 AM

In addition to the moral issue in releasing this again, it's just a damned stupid business act to deliberately and knowingly flood the market with another zillion copies of a known-to-be-shitty product.




#15 of 73 OFFLINE   Robert George

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Posted April 29 2011 - 03:43 AM

Since we are going to now drag morality into this debate, it should be pointed out that not everyone thinks the current incarnation of Patton on Blu-ray is "shitty", even on these narrowly focused forums where the herd mentality is so prevalent.  Among more mainstream consumers, I would speculate the vast majority of those that have seen this disc think it looks terrific.


So, before we go accusing Fox of a lack of morals, perhaps we should step back and consider that, perhaps, Fox is simply marketing a product that has already been a good seller for them.



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Posted April 29 2011 - 05:17 AM

Agreed that on a <40" display, Patton looks pretty terrific. Over that, and the faults become evident even to the untrained eye. However, it's far from bad and for most, would certainly pass as adequate. I'm as displeased as the next person over Patton, but I still consider it a watchable hi def disc, even remarkable at times.


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#17 of 73 OFFLINE   Scott Calvert

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Posted April 29 2011 - 07:04 AM



Originally Posted by Robert George 

Since we are going to now drag morality into this debate, it should be pointed out that not everyone thinks the current incarnation of Patton on Blu-ray is "shitty", even on these narrowly focused forums where the herd mentality is so prevalent.  Among more mainstream consumers, I would speculate the vast majority of those that have seen this disc think it looks terrific.


So, before we go accusing Fox of a lack of morals, perhaps we should step back and consider that, perhaps, Fox is simply marketing a product that has already been a good seller for them.


So it's OK to nuke any old film in the mastering suite as long as joe shmoe thinks it looks great?




#18 of 73 OFFLINE   Robert George

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Posted April 29 2011 - 10:17 AM



Originally Posted by Scott Calvert 




So it's OK to nuke any old film in the mastering suite as long as joe shmoe thinks it looks great?



I have reread my post several time now and I can't seem to find anything that would/should lead one to this conclusion.




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Posted April 29 2011 - 11:00 AM



Originally Posted by Robert George 




I have reread my post several time now and I can't seem to find anything that would/should lead one to this conclusion.



Agreed. I honestly believe Fox made a good faith effort on Patton and missed the mark. There's little doubt that transferring film to hi def is an art form and there will be stumbles from time to time. Those who care deeply about every nuance of a transfer can be heartened with the fact that a new transfer is on the way later in the year. For others, this disc will do just fine. Personally, I hope it sells very well. The more Fox makes on Blu, the more for everyone.


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Posted April 29 2011 - 11:57 AM

Yes, Patton, The Longest Day, and the Predator rerelease were essentially missteps in the in the earlier days of Blu-ray remastering at Fox.  This announcement and the fact that subsequent Fox blu-rays avoided the mistake of complete grain removal is essentially an acknowledgment that those releases are now substandard with Fox's current standard of quality for Blu-ray releases (not including their MGM co-releases).


Its just sort of odd that this 5/10 re-release is a more expensive Digibook release compared to the first, which can still be found stocked in most department stores, yet still use the same subpar transfer when the new one is about 6 months off.  Makes me curious as to what exactly the Fall/Winter release is going to be (maybe Sound of Music style box with Patton action figures?)