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Pioneer's New Receivers


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#1 of 17 OFFLINE   Steve_Moo

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:28 AM

Anyone see these and the price. WOW. the 912K even has the Auto MCACC that there Elite 45TX at way less then 1/2 the price tag. The 912K sells on Ebay New with Warranty for $299 if anyone's interested. Thats a heck of a deal with all the new formats, Component Switching and the Auto MCACC.

#2 of 17 OFFLINE   NickSP

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Posted April 12 2003 - 04:23 AM

For that price it would make a great prepro for HT. Throw a 2 channel preamp (used) in the loop and now you're all set. Posted Image
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Posted April 12 2003 - 04:51 AM

There's some debate over at avsforum as to whether the 912 inlcudes the eq like the 45TX. If it does, I might be interested. Regardless, it's quite a deal.

#4 of 17 OFFLINE   Steve_Moo

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Posted April 12 2003 - 06:24 AM

It says it includes the microphone for the Auto MCACC just like the 45TX. This comes right from the Pioneer Website. I'm thinking of picking 1 up and using as a Pre/Pro also with my Acurus A125x5 amp.

#5 of 17 OFFLINE   Mike Fenech

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Posted April 12 2003 - 07:13 AM

912 manual:

http://www.pioneerel....1954183030.pdf

#6 of 17 OFFLINE   ChadLB

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Posted April 12 2003 - 07:55 AM

I believe it does not include the EQ part but does offer the Auto MCACC which is nice for some people.

#7 of 17 OFFLINE   Mike Fenech

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Posted April 12 2003 - 10:25 AM

A 45TX user should read the 912 manual (linked above) and tell us the differences.

#8 of 17 OFFLINE   Steve_Moo

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Posted April 12 2003 - 12:07 PM

I can tell you this, the 45tx is not worth the extra $800.

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Posted April 12 2003 - 02:49 PM

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I can tell you this, the 45tx is not worth the extra $800

Why is that?

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Posted April 12 2003 - 02:54 PM

Steve,
If you have a SPL meter and either S&V / Avia disc you can save yourself money and go with the 811. The only gain with the 912 really is the Auto MCACC. Just a thought...

#11 of 17 OFFLINE   Steve_Moo

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:03 PM

Why would you pay $800 more for the Pioneer Elite VSX-45TX. What does it give you that is worth the extra money? I had the 43TX and it was good but not worth a $1000. Just seems like the new Pioneer either the 812 or 912 would be a smarter buy then the over-priced Elite Models.

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:07 PM

Isn't the 811 and the 912 about the same price. The 912 sells on Ebay for $309. The Auto MCACC is supposed to be a nifty feature isn't it. Warrants an extra $400 charge for the 45TX from the 43TX. From what I see the only difference between the Elite 43TX and the 45TX is this Auto feature and Pioneer charges an extra $400 between models.

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:07 PM

You do make a point there. One could buy the older 811 or the new 812/912 and put the extra money into a 2/5 channel amp and it probably would sound better than just the 45 by itself. Though some people don't want to move into seperates so they spend the money on the 45tx.

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:10 PM

Yeah I think they probably are which is odd. You think either they would drop prices on 811 to move 812/912 in.
Though the 812 only has the manual MCACC lower end remote and the 912 has the Auto MCACC and a better remote.

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:27 PM

I had the 43TX which I got for about $650 and I thought it was very good for the price. I have since moved to seperates. But if I would have dished out the $1200 retail and then see Pioneer come out with the 912 for $300. I would have been pretty pissed. I'm sure the Elite has better components and everything, but the $300+ price tag has to be the best deal on the market right now. I have 2 buddies that were looking to get Receivers and I have told to go the Pioneer route. Anyone have or heard the new model's?

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Posted April 12 2003 - 03:38 PM

Steve,
I can't imagine that the new ones sound any different then the 811 which I own. They really didn't change much so my guess is if they get one if they listen to music they will need an amp.

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Posted April 13 2003 - 04:45 AM

Just my .02 cents.

I have the 45TX and the MCACC since Sep of last year.

Initially these receivers had a shutdown issue which Pioneer has since fixed. Mine was replaced.

I'm a big fan of the MCACC. If you've never set up a room or you have an odd sized room the MCACC with the EQ is invaluable. The values I receiver for distance and delay are within 1db on my Rat shack meter and within .5 foot on distance.

The Eq does a great job of blending the sound in any room to a seemless soundstage. You'd never be able to adjust the EQ to how the receiver sets it without much more equipment.

Recently, I've seen this unit at my local dealer for $799
(I paid $1000).

The amp section is clean and very powerful. The UK version tested 135 WPC x 5. Much greater than the 100 WPC advertised. I added a Adcom 545 (100WPC) for fun recently and to see if there is a sound difference. Both amps sound very good. I couldn't tell the difference.

I had the Onkyo 595 and the HK 520 before this and I highly recommend the 45. It has a great remote and really very few weaknesses.

Saying that........I too believe the 912 is a very good value for $299. Add a good 5 channel amp and I'm sure you'd be pleased with the sound.

As for me I'm very satisfied. If I had one thing negative to say.......some people have indicated that they beleive the MCACC de-emphasizes the midrange leading to a somewhat bright sound. After listening to it for so long - I like it. The music set up like this,for me, makes the sound crystal clear.

Anyway good luck!

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