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  1. Kevin N

    Kevin N Well-Known Member

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    XM is moving in a horrible, horrible direction. I would be surprised if most people could identify it seperately from Sirius in an A/B test at the moment. Or at least in the rock station lineup. Ethel, for example, is so damn close to a Clear Channel FM station, that if you threw in ads, it would be impossible to tell the difference.

    I've been a subscriber and evangelist since September 13, 2001. As of today, I'm done.
     
  2. TheLongshot

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    I certainly can, at least with the stations I listen to. The current direction is bothersome, tho. Too many LCD stations are being created.

    Jason
     
  3. Kevin N

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    By the way, for anyone who's interested, this is what Ethel's playlist has looked like over the past 7 days:

    Station Rank Spins Audience
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    2 1 NINE INCH NAILS Every Day Is Exactly The Same 38 36 2 0.038
    13 2 DEATH CAB FOR CUTIE Crooked Teeth 37 29 8 0.037
    1 3 FALL OUT BOY Dance, Dance 37 36 1 0.037
    3 4 PEARL JAM World Wide Suicide 37 36 1 0.037
    9 5 AUGUSTANA Boston 34 30 4 0.034
    5 6 GORILLAZ Dare 34 34 0 0.034
    7 7 WHITE STRIPES The Denial Twist 33 32 1 0.033
    6 8 MATISYAHU King Without A Crown 32 32 0 0.032
    4 9 WEEZER Perfect Situation 32 35 -3 0.032
    14 10 JACK JOHNSON Upside Down 31 29 2 0.031
    10 11 BLUE OCTOBER Hate Me 30 30 0 0.03
    18 12 ROCK KILLS KID Paralyzed 30 28 2 0.03
    19 13 SHE WANTS REVENGE Tear You Apart 30 28 2 0.03
    16 14 SIA Breathe Me 30 29 1 0.03
    11 15 YEAH YEAH YEAHS Gold Lion 30 30 0 0.03
    24 16 YELLOWCARD Lights And Sounds 30 25 5 0.03
    12 17 ARCTIC MONKEYS I Bet You Look Good On The... 29 29 0 0.029
    17 18 EDITORS Munich 29 28 1 0.029
    15 19 PANIC! AT THE DISCO The Only Difference Between... 29 29 0 0.029
    20 20 COLDPLAY Talk 28 27 1 0.028
    33 21 FRANZ FERDINAND Do You Want To? 28 21 7 0.028
    8 22 HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS Saying Sorry 28 31 -3 0.028
    28 23 DEPECHE MODE Precious 26 23 3 0.026
    21 24 DEPECHE MODE Suffer Well 26 25 1 0.026
    25 25 311 Don't Tread On Me 25 24 1 0.025
    23 26 HARD-FI Cash Machine 25 25 0 0.025
    27 27 STROKES Juicebox 25 24 1 0.025
    22 28 FOO FIGHTERS No Way Back 24 25 -1 0.024
    26 29 STROKES Heart In A Cage 24 24 0 0.024
    36 30 MATISYAHU Youth 23 20 3 0.023

    And here's what my local Clear Channel station has looked like:

    Station Rank Spins Audience
    lw TW Artist Title TW lw +/- Reach/
    Mill
    7 1 BUCKCHERRY Crazy Bitch 41 20 21 0.4958
    24 2 KORN Coming Undone 39 13 26 0.5079
    4 3 PEARL JAM World Wide Suicide 39 41 -2 0.4698
    1 4 BLUE OCTOBER Hate Me 38 41 -3 0.481
    10 5 PANIC! AT THE DISCO The Only Difference Between... 36 18 18 0.4366
    3 6 NINE INCH NAILS Every Day Is Exactly The Same 33 41 -8 0.3975
    9 7 GODSMACK Speak 25 18 7 0.2945
    14 8 HAWTHORNE HEIGHTS Saying Sorry 25 17 8 0.3192
    8 9 SHINEDOWN I Dare You 24 19 5 0.3104
    18 10 PEOPLE IN PLANES If You Talk Too Much (My...) 23 16 7 0.1667
    15 11 REVELATION THEORY Slow Burn 22 17 5 0.2735
    12 12 ROB ZOMBIE Foxy, Foxy 21 18 3 0.2527
    13 13 FAKTION Take It All Away 20 17 3 0.1338
    16 14 30 SECONDS TO MARS The Kill 19 16 3 0.2146
    30 15 COHEED AND CAMBRIA Welcome Home 19 11 8 0.0907
    21 16 SEETHER The Gift 19 14 5 0.238
    20 17 DISTURBED Just Stop 18 14 4 0.2061
    19 18 HIM Rip Out The Wings Of A... 18 15 3 0.2563
    27 19 HOOBASTANK If I Were You 16 12 4 0.189
    20 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS Dani California 16 0 16 0.2082
    25 21 SEETHER Remedy 11 13 -2 0.1497
    28 22 STAIND Everything Changes 11 12 -1 0.1498
    22 23 FLYLEAF I'm So Sick 10 13 -3 0.1264
    26 24 GORILLAZ Feel Good Inc 10 12 -2 0.151
    44 25 GREEN DAY Holiday 10 7 3 0.1079
    31 26 SYSTEM OF A DOWN Lonely Day 10 11 -1 0.14
    29 27 VANISHED Favorite Scar 10 12 -2 0.0944
    54 28 AUDIOSLAVE Out of Exile 9 5 4 0.0686
    2 29 FALL OUT BOY Dance, Dance 9 41 -32 0.108
    23 30 FOO FIGHTERS Best of You 9 13 -4 0.0848


    Don't be naive and chalk this up as an isolated incident that will only affect one channel.
     
  4. Doug Miller

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    I might be in a minority, but I don't buy XM for the music, I buy it for the depth of sports, for the baseball channels, and for comedy. Sure, I love Da' Boneyard and Squizz, but I also recognize that it's the same songs every day. I can't count the number of times that a band is playing on Squizz or Ethel or Lucy at the same time, or the amount of times it's on Squizz, then immediately on Ethel, and sure enough back on Lucy again. Same goes for the contemporaries -- Mix and Kiss have the same shit every day all day (not that I listen to that crap [​IMG]) The music isn't near as daring or original as I'd like, but at least there aren't commercials.

    Doug
     
  5. Ronald Epstein

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    Well...of course!

    Those are top 40 channels. Their job is
    to primarily play the most charted hits.
    MIX also does this but adds a lot of 90s
    music in as well.

    Get away from those channels and you won't
    hear as many repeats.

    Geez, if you guys are complaining about short
    playlists on XM, I'd hate to hear what you would
    have to say about SIRIUS which is more FM-orientated.
     
  6. Kevin N

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    Ron: looking at the data from mediabase, Ethel is giving songs as many spins as my local Clear Channel station. Jon Zellner himself said they've received numerous complaints about the obscurity of XM's music channels. I feel as though Ethel is the sign of things to come. XM will eventually be on the same level as Sirius and possibly FM.
     
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    That thought scares me as well. Unfortunately, I do believe that this could be an eventuality. Once something niche goes mainstream a lot of the initial quality is lost. We certianly see examples of this in the DVD world.
     
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    XM on the same level as SIRIUS?

    That's VERY frightening!

    If I have to pay to listen to anything remotely
    as similar as the playlists on Sirius, I am getting
    out of satellite radio altogether.

    Let's hope this never comes to be.
     
  9. TheLongshot

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    Well, I don't think it will quite get that bad, but the fact that niche stations are getting axed in favor of more "hit" based fare does bother me. If I wanted the greatest hits, I'd go out and buy them.

    Also, it looks like Da Boneyard is going through changes that aren't to my liking. I'm going to have to see how the new XMLM fares, but I have a feeling I'm not going to like it.

    Jason
     
  10. Kevin N

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    I think the only way that XM will go back to how it was around the Live 8 concerts is if they see much lower than projected growth during this quarter, and a churn rate that at least doubles.

    My gut tells me that they'll have a record quarter from MLB and new hardware, and will continue to alter programming to appeal to the masses with 69 stations of hits, and only the hits.
     
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    Doubt (hope?) it will get that bad but there's no doubt that it will continue to go that direction. Appeal to the masses is how you get the masses--more subscribers.
     
  12. Hank

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    I would love if XMLM covered metal from Anthrax all the way to Trivium. I believe I read that XMLM starts April 17th.
     
  13. Doug Miller

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    Hank --

    I didn't care much for LM when it was around before. It was a little "too metal" for me. I like the hard rock, and stuff that would be classified as old school metal (Anthrax, Suicidal, etc.) but LM was just not my bag.

    Ron --

    In terms of the Mix and Kiss playing the same shit everyday, you'll notice I said the same thing about Squizz, Lucy, and Ethel. I wish it was more varied all over the place, but it's not. It also seems to go in phases. For example, on the 60's, 80's, whatever channel, I will hear one band repeatedly for a week or two, then they'll be gone for a week or two, then be back again. For example, Neil Diamond ([​IMG]) was all over the 60'/70's, Sunny, etc channels for about 2 weeks straight, then I would go days without Neil, then it would be all Neil all the time again and on multiple channels overlapping each other. (SkyFi2)

    Um... it was the same for GNR, Faith No More, Metallica, Queensryche, and QOTSA too... Not just Neil. [​IMG]

    Doug
     
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    Lemme see, they are dropping Music Lab, but added Big Tracks. There is no way we are going to hear Flower Kings, Echolyn, Spocks' Beard, Transatlantic, Cairo, etc on Deep Tracks or Fine Tuning. They are all going to be gone. But we've got Big Tracks now to be clone of Top tracks. I can't tell much difference except the playlist is shifted a couple hours.

    I'll keep the one subscription that I have paid up for another year and a half, but the secondary one is soon to be gone. Anyone want to buy an original roady?

    Dennis_H
     
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    Has XM been scared into watering down there playlists due to the surging Sirius?
     
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    John,

    It wouldn't make sense.

    People aren't necessarily picking Sirius
    because of their music programming, though
    there are those that know both services who
    do.

    Sirius has gained a huge surge in growth
    mostly thanks to Howard Stern and the exposure
    he has brought to the company.

    If not for Stern, I have no doubt Sirius
    would not have surged as it had, and not
    many people would be talking of migrating
    there based on its music programming.

    As much as I hate Sirius for their music
    programming, I'll be the first to admit that
    there *needs* to be two separate philosophies
    of music selection between both services. If
    both XM and SIRIUS played the same types of
    music, it would turn off many of its most
    loyal listeners.

    In this stage of the game, XM needs to remain
    eclectic with its selections, playing a wider
    variety of music. Sirius, on the other hand,
    succeeds very well with its short playlists and
    repetition. People who like FM radio are very
    happy with that service.

    My thoughts.
     
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    I'd like to think not, but it seems like every time XM updates their lineup, "hits" station seems to appear, while niche stations disappear. I mean, we've lost Special X, On The Rocks, WorldZone, and now XM Music Lab, and we get stations like The Blend, Lucy, Highway 16 and Big Tracks. Granted, some niche stations have been created, like Fungus, but not nearly as many as "hits" stations.

    This started bothering me back when Special X was taken off the air, and it really bothers me now. The problem I'm having right now is that I really have nothing to replace XM Music Lab on my preset. Nothing that is being added rises to that level for me.

    More and more, I really wonder if XM wants me as a customer.

    Jason
     
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    I guess I'm in the minority here. I actually like what Ethel has become. Granted I only came to the service in January. There seems to be 4-5 top pop stations now, so why can't there be one top rock station? It's nice to have at least one rock station that plays all songs I know. I understand people like deep playlists but having one pop rock station isn't too bad.

    I do agree though that they need to lengthen the playlist on Ethel. I do hear the same songs many times a day. I listen all day at work.
     
  19. Kevin N

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    Kyle: I don't think anyone wants Ethel to get really obscure; that's for XMU. Maybe a song here and there, but most of it should be relatively popular bands. The problem right now is that they're playing the same songs over and over again. The old Ethel played deeper cuts from popular artists in addition to their chart toppers. Being able to tune in and hear "The White Stripes - Ball & Biscuit" once in a while instead of Seven Nation Army, for example.

    Unless the songs are brand new, and I'm talking within a month at most, they shouldn't be getting more than a spin a day on the channel. Right now "OAR - Hey Girl" is getting 3-4 spins a day, and that song's 3 years old.
     
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    I am cancelling on Monday. Without Music Lab, it's just not worth it. I do enjoy other channels, don't get me wrong, but probably one-third of my time is on Music Lab.
    Also, has anyone noticed more compression? I could be wrong, but XM just isn't sounding as good to me. That and it seems to take a couple extra seconds for most channels to load.
    I really did love XM and raved to everyone, just not anymore.
     

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