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Comprehensive NON-OAR DVD list

Discussion in 'DVD' started by Joshua Clinard, Oct 31, 2002.

  1. Joshua Clinard

    Joshua Clinard Well-Known Member

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    The original thread, started by John Berggren was a feature on my site, Widescreen Advocate, now at it's new URL, widescreenadvocate.org
    Thanks to Scott Weinberg, and Ryan FB for their help in this effort!
    For the Re-Opening of the site, I would like to take the time to update this list. Since John no longer has the time to do this, he has given me permission to start a new thread. This is based on a conversation we had several months ago, so if his posistion on this has changed, he may contact me.
    That said, here is the list I have so far, based on John's thread. I know there are a ton of new additions with all the recent releases. I request that any new additions be accompanied by the following information. If you know this additional information for any of the titles already on the list, please feel free to add that as well.
    Title (Studio) (Original Aspect Ratio) (Pan & Scan or Open Matte, Other) (Percent of image lost) (Is OAR available on other format?)
    If you have a correction, please note that as well.
    20th Century Fox
    The Commitments (1991)
    My Neighbor Totoro (1993) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Artisan
    Army of One (1992)
    Bob Roberts (1992) (1.50:1) (LD)
    Cujo (1983) (1.85:1)
    Extreme Prejudice (1987) (1:85:1) (LD)
    Fall Time (1995)
    Fortress (1993)
    The Hit (1984)
    House Arrest (1996)
    The House of the Spirits (1993)
    How To Kill Your Neighbor's Dog (2000)
    Johnny Handsome (1989)
    The Last Seduction (1994)
    Light Sleeper (1992)
    Sleepless (2001)
    Traveller (1997)
    The Young Americans (1993) (2.35:1)
    Columbia / Tri-Star
    84 Charing Cross Road (1986) (1.85:1) (R2DVD)
    2001: A Space Travesty (2001) (1.85:1)
    The Adventures of Elmo in Grouchland (1999) (1.85:1)
    Anatomy of a Murder (1959) (1.85:1)
    Care Bears Movie II: A New Generation (1986)
    Godzilla & Mothra: Battle for Earth (1964)
    Godzilla vs. King Ghidora (1964)
    Half a Loaf of Kung Fu (1985)
    The Karate Kid (1984)
    The Killer Meteors (1976)
    The King of Masks (1999)
    Living Free (1972)
    Look Who's Talking Now (1993)
    Matilda (1996) (2.35:1)
    A Midnight Clear (1992)
    Mo' Money (1992)
    My Girl (1991)
    The New Adventures of Pippi Longstocking (1988) (1.85:1)
    Perfect (1985)
    Princess Caraboo (1994)
    The Scent of Green Papaya (1994)
    Sweet Hearts Dance (1988)
    To Gillian on Her 37th Birthday (1996)
    Toy Soldiers (1991)
    The Villain (1979)
    Fox Lorber[/b]
    36 Fillette (1989) (1.66:1)
    Chappaqua (1967)
    Gray's Anatomy (1997)
    Goodtimes Home Video
    Dr. Giggles (1992) (2.35:1)
    The Front Page (1974)
    Gray Lady Down (1977)
    Great Waldo Pepper (1975)
    King Kong vs. Godzilla (1963)
    King Ralph (1991)
    Psycho II (1983)
    When a Stranger Calls Back (1993)
    White Palace (1990)
    Image Entertainment
    Amazon Women on the Moon (1987) (1.85:1)
    Basket Case (1982)
    Don't Do It (1995)
    Metro-Goldwyn Mayer / United Artists
    All Dogs Go to Heaven (1989) (1.85:1) (R2DVD)
    All Dogs Go to Heaven 2 (1996)
    The Care Bears Movie (1985)
    Child's Play (1988)
    Chitty Chitty Bang Bang (1968) (2.20:1) (LD)
    Cooley High (1975)
    Cotton Comes to Harlem (1970)
    The Dark Half (1993)
    The Delta Force (1986)
    Fluke (1995)
    Honeymoon in Vegas (1992)
    Larger Than Life (1996)
    Moonstruck (1987)
    Mr. Mom (1983)
    Napoleon (1985)
    The Pebble and the Penguin (1995)
    Pumpkinhead (1988)
    The Secret of NIMH (1982)
    Storefront Hitchcock (1998)
    Summer Lovers (1982)
    Yours, Mine and Ours (1968)
    New Concorde
    Death Race 2000 (1975)
    Humanoids from the Deep (1980)
    Piranha (1978)
    Rabid (1977)
    Paramount
    Jade (1995)
    Pioneer
    Farewell, My Lovely (1975)
    Parents (1989)
    Saturn 3 (1980)
    That's Life! (1986)
    A Woman Under the Influence (1974)
    Universal
    All of Me (1984)
    Babe (1995) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Balto (1995) (1.85:1) (LD, R2DVD, R4DVD)
    Beethoven (1992) (1.85:1)
    Big Fat Liar (2002) (1.85:1)
    Fierce Creatures (1997)
    Happy Gilmore (1996) (1.85:1) (R2 DVD)
    The Jerk (1979)
    Kindergarten Cop (1990)
    Last Night (1998)
    Metroland (1997)
    The Paper (1994)
    Parenthood (1989)
    The Shadow (1994)
    The Sting (1973)
    Timecop (1994)
    Twins (1988)
    Walt Disney
    The Absent-Minded Professor (1961)
    Air Bud (1997) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Air Bud: Golden Receiver (1998) (1.85:1) (LD)
    The Apple Dumpling Gang Rides Again (1979)
    Babes in Toyland (1961)
    The Biscuit Eater (1972)
    Blackbeard's Ghost (1968) (1.85:1)
    Blank Check (1994)
    Can't Buy Me Love (1987) (1.85:1)
    Cheetah (1989)
    The Computer Wore Tennis Shoes (1969)
    The Country Bears (2002)
    Ernest Goes to Jail (1990)
    Ernest Scared Stupid (1991)
    First Kid (1996)
    The Fox and the Hound (1981) (1.75:1)
    George of the Jungle (1997) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Gus (1976)
    Heavyweights (1995)
    Homeward Bound: The Incredible Journey (1993) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Honey, I Blew Up the Kid (1992)
    Honey, I Shrunk the Kids (1989)
    The Horse in the Gray Flannel Suit (1968)
    The Journey of Natty Gann (1985)
    A Kid in King Arthur's Court (1995)
    King of the Grizzlies (1970)
    Man of the House (1995)
    Max Keeble's Big Move (2001)
    Monkeys, Go Home! (1967)
    The Moon-Spinners (1964)
    The Muppet Christmas Carol (1992)
    Muppet Treasure Island (1996)
    Operation Dumbo Drop (1995)
    Rascal (1969)
    Return to Snowy River (1988)
    Savage Sam (1963)
    The Scarlet Letter (1995)
    Snow Dogs (2002)
    Taking Care of Business (1990) (1.85:1)
    That Darn Cat (1997)
    Three Men and a Little Lady (1990)
    Tom and Huck (1995)
    White Fang (1991)
    Warner Bros.
    Ace Ventura: Pet Detective (1994) (1.85:1) (R2DVD)
    Action Jackson (1988) (1.85:1)
    Arthur (1980) (1.85:1)
    Billy Jack (1971) (1.85:1)
    The Bodyguard (1992) (1.85:1) (LD, R2DVD)
    Boiling Point (1993) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Burglar (1987)
    The Candidate (1972)
    Cannonball Run 2 (1984) (1.85:1)
    Chariots of Fire (1981)
    A Christmas Story (1983) (1.85:1)
    Christmas Vacation (1989)
    Clean and Sober (1988)
    Dead Bang (1989)
    Deathtrap (1982)
    Doc Hollywood (1991)
    Exit to Eden (1994)
    Fair Game (1995)
    Fearless (1993)
    Final Analysis (1992)
    Forever Young (1992) (1.85:1)
    Frantic (1988)
    Funny Farm (1988)
    The Great Santini (1979)
    Grumpier Old Men (1995)
    Grumpy Old Men (1993)
    Guilty By Suspicion (1991)
    Her Alibi (1989)
    Hooper (1978)
    In Country (1989)
    Innocent Blood (1992)
    Justice League (2001)
    Lean on Me (1989)
    Made in America (1993)
    The Man with Two Brains (1983)
    Michael (1996)
    My Blue Heaven (1990)
    My Fellow Americans (1996)
    Nothing But Trouble (1991)
    Pokémon the First Movie: Mewtwo Strikes Back (1999)
    Pokémon: The Movie 2000 (2000)
    Pokémon 3: The Movie (2001)
    Police Academy (1984)
    The Postman Always Rings Twice (1981)
    The Powerpuff Girls: The Movie (2002)
    Private Benjamin (1980)
    Protocol (1984)
    Purple Rain (1984)
    Running on Empty (1988)
    Sesame Street Presents: Follow that Bird (1985)
    Sharky's Machine (1981)
    Showdown in Little Tokyo (1991)
    South Central (1992)
    Space Jam (1996) (1.85:1)
    Spies Like Us (1986)
    Stand and Deliver (1988)
    True Stories (1986)
    Vacation (1983)
    Vegas Vacation (1997)
    Vision Quest (1985)
    The Witches (1990) (1.85:1)
    With Honors (1994) (1.85:1) (LD)
    Wrongfully Accused (1998)
    MISC.
    Across the Line (2000) - Avalanche Video
    Barney's Great Adventure (1998) - UMVD/Sony
    Black Christmas (1974) - Eclectic Video (1.85:1) (LD)
    Christmas Evil (1980) - Troma
    Cross of Iron (1976) - Hen's Tooth Video
    Head (1968) - Rhino Home Video
    Heart (1999) - Spartan Home Entertainment
    Henry: Portrait of a Serial Killer (1990) - MPI Home Video
    LiliesV (1997) - Wolfe Video
    One-Eyed Jacks (1961) - Madacy/Unicorn/Alpha Video
    Party Girl (1995) - First Look
    Return of the Killer Tomatoes! (1988) - Anchor Bay
    The Sicilian (1987) - Avid Home Entertainment
    Terror of Mechagodzilla (1977) - Simitar Video
    Trancers (1985) - Koch Full Moon
    Two Undercover AngelsV (1973) - Anchor Bay
    Warlock (1991) - Trimark
    Items to note:
    - Recent additions have been marked with a *.
    - Items that have been recently removed are crossed out.
    - Films that are shown without mattes are listed as (OM).
    - Stanley Kubrick films are not listed. I [John Berggren] am one who wants them in their original theatrical aspect ratio, but this is a controversial subject even here based on his apparent preference. If you think I should include them, let me know.
    - Disney titles framed at 1.66 are not included. The reason is that the animators painted the cells in this ratio, but the films were matted in the theaters.
    - 1.37:1 films framed at 1.33:1 are not listed.
    - 1.66:1 films framed at 1.78:1 are not listed.
    - If there is a current Studio and Manufacturer feedback thread, or petition about a film listed here, or you make one, I will modify the title to link to that thread or petition
    - If you've already posted a film for listing and remember another, create a new post. I can only guarantee that I'll read any given post once.
    - Let me know what I've missed and I'll add it.
     
  2. Adam_WM

    Adam_WM Well-Known Member

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    Question: Why is GET OVER IT not in its OAR? Is it in a different widescreen aspect ratio?
     
  3. Jesse Skeen

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    Get Over It is in the right ratio as far as I know. It was filmed in Super 35 and shown in 2.35, and the DVD is presented that way. I wouldn't have bought it (and watched it 500 times) if it wasn't!
     
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    Sword in the Stone isn't Pan & Scan as far as I know. It'd be really strange for that to be Pan & Scan and not 101 Dalmatians, Jungle Book, Robin Hood, etc.
     
  5. Joshua Clinard

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    I'm researching that one. The last time I researched this, I came to the conclusion that it was indeed Pan & Scan, but I am always looking for further information.

    How about submitting a list of all the Disney P&S titles that are on your site whenever you get the time?
     
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    additions:
    Alaska
    An Elephant Called Slowly
    Big Fat Liar
    Biscuit Eater, The
    Blackbeard's Ghost
    Cheetah
    Chitty Chitty Bang Bang
    Cujo
    Dr. Giggles
    Honey, I Shrunk the Kids
    Honey I Blew Up the Kid
    Honeymoon in Vegas
    Journey of Natty Gann, The
    King of the Grizzlies
    Max Keeble's Big Move
    Monkeys, Go Home!
    Muppet Christmas Carol, The
    Muppet Treasure Island
    Perfect
    Rascal
    Snow Dogs
    Toy Soldiers
    White Fang
    also some of the "Ernest..." movies. But I'm not sure which if these are all theatrical movies or not.
    Sorry, I didn't add the Studio, OAR, etc. I think Natty Gann is 2.35:1, which makes it especially bad to be P&S.
     
  7. Joshua Clinard

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    List has been updated. Keep them coming. And if you have additional info on a title please post it. It takes a long time to find this info, and if several people could help with titles they are familliar with, I would be able to finish this list fairly quickly.
     
  8. John Berggren

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    Joshua, thank you for taking this on. This task is surprisingly (and unfortunately) cumbersome when you come right down to it.

    Sword in the Stone may not be non-OAR. It's year of release (1963) would seem to indicate that Disney was still composing for 1.33, though most theaters were equipped for and showing widescreen. Subsequent theatrical releases have been at 1.85.

    To nip it in the bud before it comes up: Disney films at 1.66 ARE OAR. They are animated for the AR, and shown outside of the US at 1.66. Theaters in the US show these films at 1.85 as they are either ill equipped to show films at 1.66 or disinclined to do so. The 1.85 ratio is matted from the proper 1.66.

    Good luck. I wish the list were getting smaller.
     
  9. Patrick McCart

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    Melies The Magician is presented in the original 1.33:1 format.

    The two Air Bud movies, I think, were direct to video. The All Dogs Christmas Carol is a direct-to-video film as well. Both are OAR (unless the AB movies were released to theaters)

    Anatomy of a Murder is presented OPEN MATTE, which is fine for this film. 1.33:1 to 1.85:1 is fine for the film. I know most think it's P&S, but many 1953-1959 films have unusual cases like this.

    Honey, We Shrunk Ourselves is a direct-to-video production. It's OAR.

    Which Three Musketeers is in this list? Disney's DVD is non-anamorphic, but OAR.

    The Witches is 1.85:1. There is no credit for Panavision (or other anamorphic) lenses, so it's open matte. Still non-OAR, but worth mentioning.

    The Fox and The Hound is open matte on DVD. It's not P&S, but rather done without mattes. This is the same for most of Disney's 1960-1980's non-widescreen process films.

    The Great Santini could be argued about OAR, but it was produced for TV then released to theaters after it becoming a hit. Besides that issue, the current DVD looks hideous.
     
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    Now that I have got the sales tracker working again, I will be concentrating on getting this list updated. Guys- I need help updating it, so please add any titles that you know of, and I will add those I know of. I want this list to be as complete as possible. Every title that someone adds helps me.
     
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    Can't Buy Me Love
     
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    I remember seeing screencaps of Ben-Hur that showed it was cropped on all sides.
    ...Found the thread HERE
    Also, The Powerpuff Girls movie is currently available only in a PS version, with a RUMOURED WS coming soon.
     
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    Two more additions: the Walter Hill films Extreme Prejudice and Johnny Handsome. [​IMG]
     
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    The List has been updated.

    Melies the Magician is not on the list, so I can't remove it.

    Amazon.com does not have information for which Ernest movies are presented in their OAR and which are not, so if you have that information, please let me know.

    Let me re-iterate that Open Matte films are NOT presented in their OAR, and will be presented on the list.

    Movies that are slightly misframed will not be added to the list, as there is no way to know for sure that the framing is incorrect. (Won't be adding BTTF)

    Please check the list closely before you post, as I have already had several additions/corrections that were already on the list/corrected.
     
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    River Of No Return is apparently 2.35:1 when it should be 2.55:1. TCM show it uncroppped at 2.55.
    Mister Roberts is definately cropped from 2.55:1 to around 2.35:1.
    Marlon Brando's, One Eyed Jacks was shot in VistaVision and is available on, I think four DVD editions and guess what? - They're all 1.33:1. [​IMG]
    John Ford's, The Searchers was also shot in Vista and the DVD edition has a "widescreen" version and a 1.33:1 version. The "widescreen" version is basically a cropped version the already cropped 1.33:1 version! [​IMG]
    And finally, with the utmost respect to Vittorio Storaro, I have to say that no home-video edition of Apocalypse Now has been in it's original 2.40:1 Technovision ratio. Granted, he 'recomposed' the film himself for video at the 2:1 "UNIVISIUM" ratio but I would like to see a future DVD edition in 2.40:1. Sorry if this opens a hornet's nest of disagreements, but this thread is about non-OAR, and Apocalypse Now is simply not OAR.
    Gordy
     
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    Anyone have any idea about Young Frankenstein?
    The conclusion I draw from this and this is that the intended OAR was 1.37:1 open matte...but the DVD version is 1.85:1 letterboxed (I can confirm this, I have the SE DVD). Anyone certain about what the OAR on this film was supposed to be?
     
  20. Joshua Clinard

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    Let me re-iterate once more. This list is for films that are presented in full screen, that should be shown in widescreen. This includes Pan & Scan, and Open Matte. Misframed DVD's will not be included on the list.

    That's not to say that the misframed DVD's are correct, and that they shouldn't be corrected. They should, and there are a few DVD's that I really wish would be corrected. But the purpose of this list is to get people to rally for the films that have no widescreen release.
     

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