DSOTM on DVD-Audio...is coming! (1 Viewer)

[nicholas]

I think it is very possible that both formats will be around a while, but Robert may be right in suggesting a single format would go a long way to marketing to the masses and making sure hirez is around for a very long time.

As much as a "format war" can't logically be of any help, I honestly don't think the confusion factor is the real impediment. The unfortunate reality for people like us is that the "masses" are quite happy with the quality of CD, and even less (MP3). It's such a hard sell to pitch high-resolution when the consumers that will make or break the format don't perceive the need for anything new.

That's why, in my humble opinion (and it's hardly unique), the only real shot at inciting the type of consumer interest that might prompt more titles, is the surround sound aspect. Most won't know the difference of the greater resolution, but they will hear the difference in surround. That's why it's important that the surround mixes get done well. DSOTM was a great example of picking the right music to remix into surround, and then doing it well. If there were only more "poster child" examples of such popular music, we might have a shot.

Nick Satullo

 

[Kevin C Brown]

I'd personally really like to see Alan Parsons quad mix on *something*, DVD-A, SACD, don't matter none to me...

 

[francisco-a]

I just bought it, of course, on SACD and the redbook layer, sounds amazing, far better that the 20th Anniversary that i had. I don´t have a SACD player, i wonder how it will sound the Stereo SACD or the 5.1.

In regular stereo sound amazing.

Thanks James Guthrie and bring on soon Wish You Where Here and The Wall on SACD.

 

[KeithH]

I said:

Not yet....

Well, let's not sit around and wait for one format or both to die. One can buy into both formats on the cheap now, so enjoy them! Also, if one or both formats dies tomorrow, you will still be able to play the discs you have. Finally, if you wait for one format to die, there is no guarantee that the labels that supported the dead format will readily embrace the surviving format. In short, since we don't know the future, enjoy the present!

 

[KeithH]

Lee, fine. I have simply grown tired of these format-war discussions. That's what Audio Asylum is for. Now, I am not pointing fingers, but there is no reason for a thread on Dark Side of the Moon coming to DVD-Audio to regress into a heated discussion of the future of the two hi-rez formats.

 

[Mike Broadman]

Also, if one or both formats dies tomorrow, you will still be able to play the discs you have. Finally, if you wait for one format to die, there is no guarantee that the labels that supported the dead format will readily embrace the surviving format. In short, since we don't know the future, enjoy the present!

Thank you. I have been trying to drive home this point up until I gave up.

 

[LanceJ]

To be perfectly frank, with the present lousy economy I think we're very lucky to have ANY releases on hi-res. But that still is not a very good reason for dvd-audio participants (the hardware/software companies) to withold proper marketing of this format. Jeez, how about at least: a little banner on Linkin Park's very active forum site; an obvious link on Capitol's or Warner's homepage to an artist's dvd-audio release page; on AOL's front intro page; or a little blurb in a print ad somewhere. These things cannot possibly cost that much!!! What's the problem??!

They can't possibly be relying on us 100% to "spread the word" can they? Most of my buddies think audio is kind of a nerdy hobby--so for them you need flashy web ads, fun newspaper graphics or maybe a dvd-audio version of the "Girls Gone Wild" commercials: when they pull up their shirts, dvd-audio discs are there (covering the naughty bits of course :b).

Seriously though: most non-audio types have no idea that dvd-audio exists. So how can anybody know if these people will buy even popular artist's surround music titles?

IT TAKES MONEY TO MAKE MONEY!

LJ

 

[KrisM]

I have been trying to drive home this point until I gave up

Spoken like a true music lover, not a format lover. And I coulnd't agree more.

Regards
KrisM

 

[LanceJ]

I love music too (obviously) but there are other things I consider in my choices: business ethics & a digital format's TRUE operating nature & how it well treats the music itself.

I guess I'm just part beatnik.

LJ

 

[Lee Scoggins]

I'd personally really like to see Alan Parsons quad mix on *something*, DVD-A, SACD, don't matter none to me...

Actually, based on my listening to the album six or so times this weekend, I don't care anymore at all about the Quad mix. The 5.1 version is so good and it sounds like quad any way since the center is used relatively sparingly.

They did one awesome job on this SACD. Any Pink Floyd fan should buy a SACD player now.

 

[Mark_Waldrep]

Or Pink fans might want to wait until the DVD-Audio version is released and forego the additional purchase of an SACD player. They will get the great 5.1 mixes AND all of the cool extras.

BTW Stuart Robinson of High Fidelity Review posted an article that rebutes the comments made by James Guthrie on DVD-Audio and the MLP encoding scheme. I was asked to contribute and found the resulting article very well done.

Ciao

 

[Mark_Waldrep]

I forgot to include the link...sorry!

Guthrie Comments and Rebuttal

 

[nicholas]

Or Pink fans might want to wait until the DVD-Audio version is released and forego the additional purchase of an SACD player. They will get the great 5.1 mixes AND all of the cool extras.

BTW Stuart Robinson of High Fidelity Review posted an article that rebutes the comments made by James Guthrie on DVD-Audio and the MLP encoding scheme. I was asked to contribute and found the resulting article very well done.

Hi, Mark. Sure hope you're right about the DVD-Audio version.

By the way, I read Stuart's article, and I was glad to see people like yourself rallying to the issue. Although my own orientation is purely as a listening enthusiast, I own about 70 DVD-Audios and have heard absolutely stunning things from it already (with its share of abysmal efforts as well). I, for one, eliminated the format war in my listening room a long time ago, by adding both players.

I found Guthrie's remarks to be saddeningly transparent, and the marketing event that it was made them even more pronounced. He had just come off a glittering effort--there was no need for the gratuitous slam. And it does not take technical expertise, just two ears, to know what it was.

Nick Satullo

 

[Mark_Waldrep]

Nick,

I have heard the DSOTM according to James Guthrie on my own SACD player...yes I own one, although not a great one. The mixes are very good and the sound excellent...I'm just the guy that wants to make new efforts with new equipment.

The disc will definitely come out on DVD-Audio, I've been told that by the people responsible...I just cann't say when.

Do you have some of our discs? The new Laurence Juber recording (not out yet) is my current favorite...worth the wait. Incredible playing and stunning resolution in the high-frequency metal percussion.

As you rightly point out, there needs to be balance in these format issues...both will survive and both will find a home in truely universal players. Denon is going to release a true SACD/DVD-Audio machine later this year...should go nicely along side my Meridian 800/861.

 

[nicholas]

Do you have some of our discs? The new Laurence Juber recording (not out yet) is my current favorite...worth the wait. Incredible playing and stunning resolution in the high-frequency metal percussion.

As I look . . . I have one. The Pepino D'Agostino Acoustic Guitar DVD-Audio. As you posted, I flipped it on. It is a very impressive disc. The fidelity on the disc is outstanding, and, as I'm listening right now to Desert Flower, I'm reminded of my favorable initial impressions.

I had only listened to it once or twice when I purchased it (awhile ago, actually), and hadn't really had time to return to it. This post will make me do that.

I'm an absolute monger for both formats. It's actually been a great experience for me, as it forces me to purchase titles I'd not heard of, purely to experience the surround mix and resolution. That's produced its share of regrets, but also its treasures. And I have found them on both formats. I frankly don't see the time to argue about them, there's just a lot to enjoy from each.

Actually, after I heard the outstanding DVD-Audio of America Homecoming, I was tempted to buy something purely on the basis of what DVD-Audio made those acoustic guitars sound like. Not too great a leap to purchase a disc entitled Acoustic Guitar.

You'll sell at least one more of the Laurence Juber disc on the basis of your recommendation.

Thanks for the info.

Nick Satullo

 

[ReggieW]

Mark,

In regards to the forthcoming Denon Universal player, are you talking about the Denon 2900, due next month, or the flagship player due later this year? I figure if you're going to be placing it in with your Meridian 860/861, it will probably be the much more expensive flagship. Also, if you know anything about what this player or what it will go for, let us know!

Reg

 

[Mark_Waldrep]

Reggie,

I spoke to the product specialist the other day about my Denon 9000 and he informed me that the high end Denon "universal" player will be available about the time of CEDIA...September. I think I've got that right...although I'm not sure of the model number. He did tell me that they've done the DSD part right. I like Denon equipment a great deal...but it's another world with Meridian, Cardas, Aloia and Piega Speakers!

Mark

 

[Justin Lane]

It looks like Guthrie was informed about MLP by Kawakami who is equally clueless on the subject.

I loved the quote from Craig Anderson:

“It seems David is confusing ‘recommended low-pass filtering’ on MLP and ‘required low-pass filtering’ of DSD.”

J

 

[LanceJ]

I didn't want to start a whole new thread for this so here it is (it kind of relates to this thread):

Elliot Scheiner helps develops 5.1 dvd-audio car system

And what is the deal with so many people thinking that the Logic7 system is discrete surround sound just like dvd-audio?? (read the article for another example of this)

LJ

 

[Lee Scoggins]

Well as long as Mark Waldrep wants to turn this into more of a format war thread, let's think about what happened here.

James Guthrie, an emminent recording engineer within the industry, makes some disparaging remarks about MLP and DVDA. Then HFR's DVDA journalist proceeds to contact four mastering personnel, all who strongly support DVDA and played a sizable role in its development.

Surprise! They all say negative things about Guthrie. :rolleyes

It is interesting to note Craig's obsession with 50khz.

Or Pink fans might want to wait until the DVD-Audio version is released and forego the additional purchase of an SACD player.

Only if they already own a DVDA machine which is unlikely. Otherwise they have to listen to less than hirez quality. Better to spend the $200 and get a SACD player in any event.