A personal DTS observation...

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  1. David Coleman

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    I'm one of those people who usually always prefers the DTS track over the DD. Titles i've prefered DTS include:

    Dragonheart
    LOTR: Fellowship of the Rings
    Courage Under Fire
    Saving Private Ryan
    Vertical Limit
    U-571
    Mask of Zorro
    T2
    Jurrasic Park
    Die Hard Trilogy
    The Mummy: UE
    Tombstone
    Unbreakable

    What i've always found in those titles in tighter bass, more detail, less strident sound and more coherent interchannel balance.

    Having said that there are some DD titles I prefer over the DTS:

    The Rock: CC
    Blade 2
    Speed: 5 Star
    Chain Reaction
    Lethal Weapon: Director's Cuts

    in all the cases where I prefer the DD it seems to me as though the DTS sounds more "compressed". It seems the frequency range is compromised over the DD in those titles i prefer the DD. In the DTS I prefer it never presents that problem.

    What i'm wondering is why some sound better than the DD and some sound more compressed? Wondering if their encoder might have some strange anomaly to it?

    Would like for those of you who normally prefer DTS and yet there are some in DD that you prefer, could you chime in the differences you are hearing that makes you prefer the DD on that particular release?

    Thanks,

    David
     
  2. Rob Lutter

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  3. Jeff Kleist

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    Also many of the titles you list have been cooked by DTS toward the strengths of their codec
     
  4. Eujin

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    Don't know about the other titles on your list, but I concur about The Rock--the DTS track is definitely not as good on this one, and no amount of tweaking has ever led me to believe otherwise on my system. On Blade II, I never bothered with the DD track because the DTS track sounded really good to me. Perhaps this will be a good excuse to watch it again. [​IMG]
     
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    Just remember, there are NO sound adjustments that are made in the DTS version of ANY movie! Whatever is encoded on the CD-ROM, you get the same exact sound as that. The only difference is the encoding rate since most newer dts tracks are encoded at 754 Kb/s. To me, on my system there is no Dolby track that sounds better than the DTS track. There are a few titles that have a DTS-Like sound to them, but nothing better to me. Of course everyone is entitled to his/her opinion, and I can respect that. But it has been made apparent to me that most people who cannot tell the difference between Dolby and DTS when comparing tracks, cannot hear the detail that the DTS version retains. The soundstage, the clarity, and including a well-defined low end. Dolby sounds good, but ask yourself this question. If CDs are 1536 Kb/s uncompressed, and full-bit rate DTS is 1509, half-bit rate is 754, which is half-bit rate, and both are at a compression rate of 4:1, does that still sounds better than 448 or 386 at 12:1. What can you hear compressed 12:1? Of course Star Wars: Episode II sounds wonderful. I love it too! But, in reality, I'd rather have it in DTS.
    So, to end this, there are no Dolby tracks that sound better than there DTS counterparts in my system!!
    RF
     
  6. Jeff Kleist

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    Actually, theatrical DTS is a virtually totally different format from DVD DTS

    And Dreamworks will come right out and tell you, Gladiator and Saving Private Ryan are a TOTALLY DIFFERENT MIX on the DTS version. Reinforcing the point that DTS cooks their mixes is the fact that since DTS encoders have been made available to studios and authoring houses (before that DTS had to compress the tracks) there have been tons of complaints about the DTS track "sounding virtually no different from the DD" suprise suprise. Ron doesn't listen to the Dolby tracks, and that's his perogative, but A/B compare the titles blind and at equal volume and I dare you to pick out the DTS on 90% of movies

    Also, to many people louder=better, and since DTS is typically 4db higher in volume than the DD track, it's "better"

    Don't be a DTS zombie.
     
  7. Patrick McCart

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    I've found that most titles simply don't have a lot of difference between DD and DTS tracks.

    However...here's a few that I have found noticable improvments in the DTS track:

    Big Trouble in Little China (the score is much more vibrant)
    Fantasia (warmer/more detailed sound)
    Moulin Rouge! (better ambience)
    O Brother Where Art Thou? (again, better ambience)

    While it's nice to have obvious directionality, I find it more remarkable to hear stuff like ambience.
     
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    I was very happy that the EE of The Lord of the Rings would have a dts track. After giving it my best shot for nearly an hour I could not calibrate my system to deliver decent bass, so I switched on over to the dd track and it sounded excellent with good tight, clean bass.
    I usually always opt for the dts track but I am finding as of late that some of the dd tracks are just as good or even better (at least on my rig) than the dts track.
    Peace Out~[​IMG]
     
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    the thing I notice with DTS is the the surrounds seem more clear & clean on my setup.
     
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    The DTS on Lord of the Rings: EE is much better to me if i turn up my sub on my reciever. Otherwise, it's definitely weaker.
     
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    In contrast to Ron's findings. I found the bass on the DD to be way overvblown. The BIG problem I had with the DD mix was the shriek of the arrows in Khazad'dum, the high end is quite muted on the DD while the shriek is sharp on the DTS.
     
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    I have encountered few movies where there is a noticable difference between the DD and DTS. However, I really haven't made many comparisons as I probably should.

    But, I did notice a BIG diffence on LOTR. The DD bass sounds much too overblown and unnatural. The DTS is much better and natural. More bass isn't necessarily better.
     
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    Anyone been able to compare the Galaxy Quest DD/DTS tracks and have any thoughts?
     
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    Try Band Of Brothers, the center dialogue is so much clearer
    and the bass is so much better.
     
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