What if there was a format war and everybody won?

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  1. Lee Scoggins

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    I wonder if the Super Audio and DVD Audio "format war" may lead to specialized niches?
    I can see where there is real grass roots momentum for SACD among the independent audiophile labels. The audiophile press clearly loves the format and the title selection is increasingly strong.
    I can also see that DVD Audio may be hard to kill off since a lot of DVD players have the capability. And there are some good pop titles that we would all like to have.
    Perhaps it is possible that both win, with DVDA coming to be more popular with the HT segment of the market and Super Audio dominating the hard core two channel audiophile segment of the market. I can particularly envision that this could look somewhat like the laserdisc niche market that existed, with a real "purist" slant.
    What do yo think?
    Do you think one format will kill off the other?
    Let me know your thoughts. [​IMG]
     
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    IMO, I think there is a possibility for both formats to co-exist. There is software available in both formats, and more labels are making product available in both formats. The key holdout, of course, is Sony. If you want a CD from their labels, you will have to go with the SACD format.

    I really don't see either format gaining wide acceptance. Most people like their music in the traditional 2-channel format and are perfectly happy with the current CD format.
     
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    The only place I see any "war" between the two is on the internet. It is also the only place I see people assuming that one is trying to replace CDs.

    In reality, no one really cares about these formats except for hobbyists. This small amount of people isn't enough for a real "war."

    CDs will be the main musical format for a very long time.

    So, instead of asking, "What if there was a format war and everybody won?" I ask, "What if there was NO format war?" The two are significantly different that they need not compete (as opposed to, say, Beta vs VHS).
     
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    This darn internet! First Dolby Pro logic, years later Home Theater Forum, next three thousand dollars later I am waiting for hi rez audio titles to come out. Stashing a twenty hear and there for future unkown releases.
    Rant over!
    I would like to see both survive. I love sacd and will buy more when available. I want to see Sony get their head out of thier a$$ and put out some more rock/pop/metal material. Don't get me wrong, I am getting into the jazz and easy listening but I require more rock music. CD redbook is awesome but now I know that warm sweet sound of SACD. I think if both formats start putting out lots of varied material, the present audience who is already listening(using)to hi rez will grow. If I see more DVD-A titles, my next dvd player upgrade will be a DVD-A player. I feel that others HT and audio fans will do the same. I think that mass market people will not catch on for a long time. Thats OK with me. But we must see more titles soon. Whatever it takes. I don't want to see the same dragging uncertainty that is ripping hdtv(yes, I know that hdtv will be mandatory at some point).
     
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    This darn Internet! First Dolby Pro logic, years later Home Theater Forum, next three thousand dollars later I am waiting for hi rez audio titles to come out. Stashing a twenty here and there for future unknown releases.
    Rant over!
    I would like to see both survive. I love sacd and will buy more when available. I want to see Sony get their head out of their a$$ and put out some more rock/pop/metal material. Don't get me wrong, I am getting into the jazz and easy listening but I require more rock music. CD redbook is awesome but now I know that warm sweet sound of SACD. I think if both formats start putting out lots of varied material, the present audience who is already listening(using)to hi rez will grow. If I see more DVD-A titles, my next dvd player upgrade will be a DVD-A player. I feel that others HT and audio fans will do the same. I think that mass market people will not catch on for a long time. That's OK with me. But we must see more titles soon. Whatever it takes. I don't want to see the same dragging uncertainty that is ripping hdtv(yes, I know that hdtv will be mandatory at some point).
     
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    Lee,

    EMI is on board with both DVD-A and SACD. They have not committed the Beatles to DVD-A or SACD, and I suspect that they won't until they've negotiated with the estates of Messrs Lennon and Harrison, as well as Paul McCartney and Ringo Starr.

    Announced titles from EMI on DVD_Audio include:

    Heart "Dreamboat Annie"
    The Band "Music from Big Pink"
    The Beach Boys "Surf's Up"
    The Beach Boys "Pet Sounds"

    Source:
    High Fidelity Review
    DVD Audio World


    These titles aren't chopped liver, most especially the Beach Boys' "Pet Sounds", which is considered to be their best effort by many.

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    Seth, I agree that those titles hold promise for DVD-Audio. Hopefully they will come out.

    You said:

     
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    Lee,

    Without knowing more specifics as to where Amazon derives its rankings it's difficult to say what significance to attach to the ranking.

    Is it:
    #53 in total sales (unlikely)
    #53 in sales for the day
    #53 in sales for the last hour
    #53 in preorders
    #53 in preorders for the day
    #53 in preorders for the last hour

    I'm not saying it's a bad thing, but without knowing a little more information, it's hard to say what the number means.

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    John,
    It is from the Amazon 100 Best Sellers list which I believe includes current sales and pre-orders. I was not able to easily get to a phone number for customer service so I am not sure over what time period the results are calculated. I do not think that it is hourly since I have been watching the totals over the past two days since the Audio Asylum post on same topic. The album has been steadily rising from 83 to 53 to 40, etc.
    Let It Bleed is currently at #40. [​IMG]
    The ultimate goal is to make the BillBoard Soundscan list, but these will take a while, likely a week or two ofter the 27th release date.
     
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    Lee,

    Agreed.

    It will be just as interesting to see where the discs are placed in retail outlets.

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    my pov: i wonder if many others feel this way too?
    i would love to get into the hi-rez format, but i'm too "worried" about which format will win. right now, it does seem like there is a format war. maybe only between audio enthusiasts on the internet, but it is there. i don't want to make any significant investment in a format that may become obsoleted.
    imo, a clear winner won't be announced until the mass public audience casts their vote. i believe once the companies know which format will garner profits, then they'll come together. they may not like it, but it will probably happen.
    unfortunately, in the grand scheme of things, this is still a business and the companies will be motivated by profit. there may be a niche market, but that's not one that i want to subscribe to.
    i doubt 90-95%% of the general populace even knows about dvd-a and/or sacd. whatever it takes, these formats have to become more widely known, then the decision(s) should be easier.
    anway, once i know which format survives, i'll make my decision.
    ummm...what was i rambling about? [​IMG]
     

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