Shaw
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HTF RED ALERT: Three's Company Season Two
Just purchased Three's Company Season Two. Picked it up at Wal-Mart. I've decided to get a refund.
The first time I brought it home, Disc 2 had a problem in the "Stanley Casanova" episode. So, naturally, I went back for a refund. Seemed innocent enough. I tried the same episode again and it seemed to be just fine. The I finally got to Disc 4 and the episode "Bird Talk" died right from the get-go. Freezing, blocking, then starting up again and the audio sync going out as well.
For Disc 2, I decided to try an experiment. According to many, the manufacturing problem is "delamination". I decided to actually flex the disc gently, turning and flexing, turning and flexing. Not with the force of a bull elephant, but just gently. When I placed "Stanley Casanova" in the DVD player, it was worse than ever. Blocking, pixelating, freezing. I watched the episode right to the end. The Audio was also out of sync with the picture and the DVD player was actually "thrown" out by this. Then, when the episode ended, the Audio Sync was fine when I selected another episode.
For this set, it seems that someone was cutting corners on quality. I have read here of how many of you are having your disc die after 6 months. You pop it back in and it won't play properly anymore.
The confusing part is knowing where the disc problems begin and where the DVD player may be at fault. All digital playback systems have a certain amount of error correction and I'm sure that most DVDs have several thousand errors each. If the problem with the disc is not too serious, the DVD player can easily make the error corrections. However, I am not so sure that this problem is about error correction as it may be a simple case of "difraction" of the light hitting the disc and being incapable of capturing all of the data correctly.
As for CDs, this kind of thing rarely happpens. CDs either work or they don't. If they "bronze", this is due to a defect in manufacturing that actually happened to CDs made betweeen 1988 and 1993 by Philips Dupont Optical. It's easy to spot a defective CD by it's "bronzing" beginning on the edge of the disc. Also look for "Made in U.K. By PDO" in the round central area of the CD. I suppose this is off the topic, but the problem was caused by an adhesive in the CD that interracted with the sulphur content in the CD booklets and other paper products. Thus the term "CD Rot".
Here is a link for the hyperion site, with info on the CD problem as well as info for replacing your rotting CDs
hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp
I would like to suggest, that if the manufacturers are not going to take the time and effort to come up with a more stable and lasting way to make Dual-layer discs, then they should stick to making single-layer discs.
If dual-layer means that a more than acceptable percentage of discs are not going to last the expected life-time of a DVD (I think they should last the 100 years of CDs, which I believe they can with the right handling), then they should make all DVDs single-layer.
This may indeed be more expensive, but I think the discs will last longer, there will be fewer returns and fewer irrate customers.
As for the "Three's Company" Season Two, I have decided to return the product. I have the funny feeling that this set is going to be problematic for many.
Please let me know if you have the three's company and if you are experiencing similar problems with it.
threerandot
Just purchased Three's Company Season Two. Picked it up at Wal-Mart. I've decided to get a refund.
The first time I brought it home, Disc 2 had a problem in the "Stanley Casanova" episode. So, naturally, I went back for a refund. Seemed innocent enough. I tried the same episode again and it seemed to be just fine. The I finally got to Disc 4 and the episode "Bird Talk" died right from the get-go. Freezing, blocking, then starting up again and the audio sync going out as well.
For Disc 2, I decided to try an experiment. According to many, the manufacturing problem is "delamination". I decided to actually flex the disc gently, turning and flexing, turning and flexing. Not with the force of a bull elephant, but just gently. When I placed "Stanley Casanova" in the DVD player, it was worse than ever. Blocking, pixelating, freezing. I watched the episode right to the end. The Audio was also out of sync with the picture and the DVD player was actually "thrown" out by this. Then, when the episode ended, the Audio Sync was fine when I selected another episode.
For this set, it seems that someone was cutting corners on quality. I have read here of how many of you are having your disc die after 6 months. You pop it back in and it won't play properly anymore.
The confusing part is knowing where the disc problems begin and where the DVD player may be at fault. All digital playback systems have a certain amount of error correction and I'm sure that most DVDs have several thousand errors each. If the problem with the disc is not too serious, the DVD player can easily make the error corrections. However, I am not so sure that this problem is about error correction as it may be a simple case of "difraction" of the light hitting the disc and being incapable of capturing all of the data correctly.
As for CDs, this kind of thing rarely happpens. CDs either work or they don't. If they "bronze", this is due to a defect in manufacturing that actually happened to CDs made betweeen 1988 and 1993 by Philips Dupont Optical. It's easy to spot a defective CD by it's "bronzing" beginning on the edge of the disc. Also look for "Made in U.K. By PDO" in the round central area of the CD. I suppose this is off the topic, but the problem was caused by an adhesive in the CD that interracted with the sulphur content in the CD booklets and other paper products. Thus the term "CD Rot".
Here is a link for the hyperion site, with info on the CD problem as well as info for replacing your rotting CDs
hyperion-records.co.uk/bronzed.asp
I would like to suggest, that if the manufacturers are not going to take the time and effort to come up with a more stable and lasting way to make Dual-layer discs, then they should stick to making single-layer discs.
If dual-layer means that a more than acceptable percentage of discs are not going to last the expected life-time of a DVD (I think they should last the 100 years of CDs, which I believe they can with the right handling), then they should make all DVDs single-layer.
This may indeed be more expensive, but I think the discs will last longer, there will be fewer returns and fewer irrate customers.
As for the "Three's Company" Season Two, I have decided to return the product. I have the funny feeling that this set is going to be problematic for many.
Please let me know if you have the three's company and if you are experiencing similar problems with it.
threerandot