Well, I have now seen this twice. Once on a test player at work, once on my home player. Both died in what appears to be a laser pickup problem as best as I can tell. Code runs because you get output on the display, tray opens, but you can simply never load the DVD. It's not just loading DVD code problems though, as neither player seems to even be able to run a CD either. I had been suspicous that the test player at work had been bumped or something, but my home player never moved or temp. cycled. The player at work lasted about 4 months. My home player lasted about 18 months. I was wondering if this failure has already made the rounds of discussion here. I'm certain it must be a known fault with Pioneer, although I'm just getting ready to investigate and see what they say. I used to respect Pioneer, but now... a DVD player should last at least 2 years. This is a joke. ------------------ Greetings from the Humungus! The Lord Humungus! The Warrior of the Wasteland! The Ayatollah of Rock and Rollah!