Paradigm or SVS Sub?

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  1. Wayne A

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    I have a option go with a Paradigm PS-1000 subwoofer or an SVS sub. I have $500.00 exact to spend on this.
     
  2. Kami

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    SVS no question. A better comparison would be a Servo15, not a PS1000.
     
  3. Dustin B

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    No contest, SVS. I'll take a proper ported enclosure over a bandpass boombox every time. I think the PW2200 and the SVS 25-31 would be very close. With probably a slight edge to the SVS.
     
  4. Steve Zimmerman

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    I'd get in line for the PCi if I were you...

    --Steve
     
  5. Thomas F

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    I just ordered a SVS CS Ultra as part of the Group Buy at HTS. I also have a Paradigm PW-2200 that I will either sell, or most probably, move to a bedroom system. I'll be able to A/B them and report back on my results. Due to personel reasons, it will be about a month before I can run the comparison.
     
  6. Chip E

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    Never heard the Paradigm.... Love the bass from my SV sub.
     
  7. Mark Guidry

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    I have the PW-2200 as well and I should be getting my dual cs+/S1000 combo tomorow! From what I hear I am in for a treat so I can let you know in a few days! Hummm I also was thinking of moving the PW-2200 to the beadroom...sounds good to me Thomas F
     
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  9. Dustin B

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    I'd have to hear them both before I could make that call with 100% certainty. But from my understanding of sub design and those two subs, if the PW2200 was $50-$75 less than the SVS25-31PCi I'd take the PW. If the PW2200 wasn't that much cheaper, I'd take the SVS.
     
  10. Jedd

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    If that $670 CAN for the PW2200 is not a joke, it makes $150 USA difference between them.
    I don't have too much experience with the subs (frankly, I dont have any [​IMG] ), what do I get for this $150 from the new SVS?
    Is PW2200 just another Rava or VTFII?
     
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    I have heard the PW2200 lot's at a local shop I used to spend a lot of time at had it. Most of the guys there liked it more than the servo 15, I did not. What i have to say is this, try and find some pw2200 owners who are unhappy. Sure lots of people have upgraded to SVS, if it is indeed an upgrade. Point is pw2000 is a kick-ass sub always was and still is, I seriously doubt you would be unhappy. SVS is certainly the cool thing to do these days, and likely that is for a good reason, I haven't heard one, but I lot of people I respect has and say it is good. Living in Canada though no SVS is in my future unless the get cheaper!!!!
     
  12. Jeremy_Sharp

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    I actually had the PW2200 and a SVS 20-39cs+ at the same time. I Tried to push each one to there limits. I used a radio shack SPL meter to measure each and they both preformed admirably but there was absolutely no question that the SVS performed better IMO. This was also confirmed with the sound meter!
    My demo disc included:
    The haunting
    The Matrix
    toy story2
    Blade
    stryke's Test cd
    Diana krall
    There were a few more but the paradigm was IMO clearer and definitely had more umph.....
    one more important note is that I was using the Samson 700 for these test I have since changed to the Samson 1000 (which is recommended for the 20-39cs+).
    I now have the SVS (I took the paradigm back)[​IMG].
     
  13. Jon Sotelo

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    I have not heard the Paradigm but I just bought an SVS 25-31 and OMG it's intense! I can't imagine a sub sounding better than the SVS and it was CHEAP too!
     
  14. Dustin B

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    You're confusing me Jedd. $450USD would be about $725CDN. $670 CDN would be about $415 USD.

    For a Canuck the SVS 25-31PCi would be $550USD + lets say $50USD shipping. Converting those and adding (for Sask anyways 13% sales tax to the sub price) you get $1080CDN. Then add brokerage and it will be somewhere around $1150CDN to get that sub up here. I could get a PW2200 for less than $900CDN locally. In that case I would pick the PW2200.

    If I was in the States I don't think I could get a PW2200 for anywhere near what I could in Canada (everything I've read has the US prices being the same numerical value as the Canadian prices, but in US dollars). In that case the SVS25-31PCi becomes an easy choice. However, if you can get a PW2200 in the States for less than $500USD then I'd seriously consider it over the SVS25-31PCi. If not, I wouldn't even consider it.

    For an FYI, I measured up a PW2200's port. The raw numbers have it tuned to 30hz. The sub does have some stuffing however, so that might get that down to 27hz. This higher tune would account for the extra umph you perceived Jeremy. The 25-31 is of course tuned to 25hz (and would have more omph than the 20-39) and has a few L more internal volume. Which driver can displace more air, I don't know as neither company will every tell you the Vd of their driver.
     
  15. Jedd

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    Dustin,
    [​IMG]
    I live in Boston, USA, but I'm planing to make a trip to Canada to visit Niagara Falls and pick up some Paradigm or Axiom speakers. So, I want to know what to do if I run into the good deal on PW2200.
    My initial plan was to buy new 25-31PCi, but after reading some posts about Canada prices I found one where PW2200 was quoted for 670$ CAN. I rounded this to $420 (I'm free from shipping and taxes), and SVS to the $570 (shipping included), so the diff. is $150.
    If they are the same perfomancewise with just a slight edge to the SVS, I'll get the Paradigm. The question is how sharp is this edge. [​IMG]
    P.S. no, "To DIY or not to DIY - thats the Question."
     
  16. David Sorenson

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    I've never heard an SVS in action but owned a PS-1000 before I got my current Servo-15. The PS-1000 is a cheap piece compared to the Servo-15 and since the SVS subs are suppose to be equal to or better than the Servo-15, you should get the SVS.

    The only reason not to would be if you just had to have a box unit to put stuff on (like my wife) instead of the cylindrical SVS. HA!
     
  17. EricHaas

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    My recollection from the Tom Noussaine data is that the PW2200 puts out like 6 db's less than the 20-39(can't recall whether cs or pc) at 20hz. The chart did not have the 25-31 though. The pw2200 was like 6th from the top of a list of about 25 subs, with the 20-39 being second. That is just 20hz output of course. Doesn't say everything about a subs performance.

    In Canada, I would think the pw2200 is a reasonable alternative in terms of price/performance.

    Ah, here's that Tom Nousaine data:

    STRYKE HE15 proto-type 115.3 / 16hz~99 / 25hz~106

    VELODYNE F1800 - 111.9

    SVS 20-39cs - 109.5 / 20hz~91dB / 25hz~105.8dB

    VELODYNE FSR15 - 109.1 / 16hz~90.1 / 25hz~103.1

    MISSION 700as - 108.1 / 25hz~102

    Paradigm PW2200 - 108 / 20hz~84 / 25hz ~104dB (112.8dB peak)

    VELODYNE HGS15 - 107.7 / 16hz~89.1 25hz~102.1dB

    Paradigm Servo15 - 107.3 / 27hz

    VELODYNE SPL12 - 107.1 / 20hz ~90 /25hz ~ 99

    HSU RESEARCH TN25(w/250w) - 107.1 / 30hz

    HSU RESEARCH VTF-2 - 107.1 / 20hz~9325hz~99dB

    Cerwin Vega cvt300s - 107 / 16hz~80db / 20hz~92(112.4dB peak)

    KLIPSCH KSW300 - 106.0 / 25hz~92 *

    Cerwin Vega LW12 - 106.0 / 20hz~89

    POLK 650 -105.9 / 25hz~90

    Infinity 1.2s - 105.5 / 20hz ~90 / 25hz~95

    BW asw1000 - 105.4 / 25hz~92.4 *

    MK mx125 mkII - 105.3 / 20hz 89 / 25hz 95

    VELODYNE ct150 - 105.3 / 20hz~82(111.4dB peak)

    JBL D112 - 105.2 / 25hz~95

    KLIPSCH KSW12 - 104.9 / 25hz~90

    Boston Acoustics PV800 - 104.4 / 20hz~85

    Infinity interlude100 - 103.5 / 25hz ~ 94

    BW asw2000 - 103 / 29hz *

    PSB Subsonic6 - 102.7 / 25hz~94

    Sound Dynamics rts1200 - 102.1 / 25hz~92(110.9dB peak)

    Infinity IL100s - 102dB / 25hz ~94dB

    VELODYNE ct120 - 101 / 20hz~87

    MK - mx105 -100.6 / 25hz~86

    ATLANTIC TECH 272 PBM - 100.5 / 20hz~85

    INFINITY hps250 - 100.2 / 25hz~82(112.8dB peak)

    KLIPSCH LF10 - 100.1 / 25hz~90

    PSB subsonic 3i - 100 / 28hz *

    MISSION ms70asa - 100/32hz~92dB

    SUNFIRE Jr. - 100 / 25hz~95

    VELODYNE VLF810 - 100 / 25hz~91

    Canbridge - 100 / 20hz ~82dB

    POLK PSW350 - 99.8 / 25hz~82

    VELODYNE FSR12 - 99.7 / 20hz

    JAMO E 8sub - 99 / 25hz~ 86dB

    VELODYNE VA1012 - 99 / 29hz

    JBL PB10 - 99 / 25hz 82

    POLK RMDS-1 - 98.6 / 25hz- 77

    VELODYNE FSR10 - 98.4 / 20hz

    BW asw2500 - 98 / 25hz~86dB

    ENERGY ES12xl - 98 / 28hz *

    Paradigm PDR10 - 98 / 25hz

    PHASE tech power8 - 98 / 25hz~84

    Polk psw250 - 97.3 / 32hz~91

    ATHENA S3 - 97.0 / 25hz~87

    Energy S8.2 - 97 / 25hz ~82

    VELODYNE CT80 - 97.0 / 25hz~81

    MIRAGE frx s10 - 97 / 25hz~84

    JAMO sw505 - 97

    Klispch KSW10 - 96.9 / 25hz~85

    TANNOY PS110 - 96.8 / 20hz~71 / 25hz~84

    CANTON AS25 - 96.8 / 25hz~80

    MK V-1250thx - 96 / 25hz~86

    Atlantic technology 4.5 - 96 / 25hz~82

    ATHENA S2 - 96 / 25hz~87

    ACI titan - 96dB / 25hz~80

    PSB alphasubzero - 95.2 / 32hz~88

    Aura Lss-107A - 95.2 / 25hz~73

    Celestion cswII - 95 / 25hz~78

    GALLO MPS-150 - 95.0 / 25hz~86

    ENERGY ENCORE - 94.4 / 25hz~78

    ENERGY XL8 - 94 / 25hz~78

    POLK PS-120 - 94 / 32hz -no SPL given

    Wharfedale Modus - 93.1dB

    Paradigm PD8 91.4 / 25hz~73dB

    MK k9 - 90.1 / 25hz~77

    Cerwin Vega hts15 - 89 (107 from 40-100hz) / 39hz

    ATHENA P1 88.5/ 32hz~85.5

    Edit: Thanks to Tom V of SVS for putting together this data!

    This from Tom:

    "All figures are for a corner loaded subwoofer, 2 meter SPL mic distance,10%

    distortion limit,and the SPLs have been averaged from the maximum output at

    1/3 spacing at 25/31/40/50/63hz.

    ( * ) denotes a manual data adjustment applied by myself to compensate the

    subwoofer from Nousaine's *small* room(2400) to his newer *large* room(7500)."
     
  18. Dustin B

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    You'll notice on this list that the PW2200 out does the Servo15 in output. What makes the Servo better is it's sound quality (SQ) and lower extension.

    A SVS 25-31 should have slightly lower extension capabilities than the PW2200. I also think the driver in the PW2200 would really like a larger enclosure with a lower tuning (this could make a big improvement to it's SQ). While TomV has really optimized the vol/tunings of his SVS subs.

    Bottom line Jedd, if it was me, and I could get a PW2200 for $475 USD or less I'd go that way. If not I'd spend the extra money on the SVS.

    Was your last line a typo. Did you mean "now" or "no"?

    Cuz DIY, now that can lead to some fun woffen :p)
     
  19. Thomas F

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    Would I be able to use my PW-2200 in conjunction with my Ultra? One possiblity would be to stack the Ultra on top of the PW-2200. With the continuously adjustable phase on the PW-2200, maybe this would work. Another option would be to add the 2200 to the rear surround channels and use the built in low pass filter. What would work best? If neither of these work, I will probably build a bedroom system and use it there. Any thoughts?
     
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    Two B-stock SVS 25-31pc available (499.00 US Plus Shipping)
     

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