*** Official QUANTUM OF SOLACE Discussion Thread (1 Viewer)

[Zack Gibbs]

There's nothing wrong with the idea per say, but that doesn't mean the film used the idea well.


Something that bothered me when I watched the movie but forgot about, the introduction of Mathis. Isn't the timing off here. I mean if the film picks up immediately after 'Royal, when did MI6 find time to clear Mathis and buy him a villa? Wasn't he just in custody a couple of days earlier?

 

[Robert Crawford]

At the end of Casino Royale, we don't know the time lapse between Vesper's death and Bond capturing Mr. White. It could be months or even a year?

 

[Ray H]

Also, MI6 had the time to completely renovate their facilities.

 

[Holadem]

Recognizing that it's pretty silly to fault a James Bond flick for plausibility, even one that purports to be more realistic, the idea that a big lumbering unarmed civilian transport would not only out-maneuver, but actually defeat a fighter in a dogfight is almost insulting. It's like Bruce Lee getting his ass kicked by a paraplegic.

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[Jeff Cooper]

I was a little confused on the Mathis parts. How was he innocent? Le Chiffe told Bond directly "I'm afraid your friend Mathis is really my friend Mathis."

When he was dying, Bond asked him about Mathis being his code name. I couldn't make out the entire conversation, and was lost as to what it being a code name signified.

 

[John Stockton]

So the next Bond film should start with the Gun barrel at the beginning. But for some reason I think they are going to screw with it again an either not put it or do a variation of it.

I could understand CR not having the traditional Gun Barrel since he has not yet got his licence to kill, but I got to tell you when this film did not start with it, I was actually so upset that I could not concentrate on the movie for the first 10 min or so.

That being said, I did enjoy the movie I would give it a 7 out of 10.


For the next film please put the gun barrel back where it belongs and keep it there from now on.

 

[Yee-Ming]

Short comments: I enjoyed it, and understand why for now the producers want to scale back on the quips, gadgets and for that matter the 'suaveness' that has been a Bond trademark in the past, but one thing glaringly missing was the Bond theme.

The prime example would be the rogue production Never Say Never Again -- even Connery's presence couldn't make up for the missing theme. As David Arnold himself said in a featurette on the TWINE DVD, when you hear the Bond theme you just know something spectacular is happening, or about to happen.

And I for one do look forward to more quips and gadgets in the next one. Bring back Q!

Ironic you don't remember,since it was your first: Michelle Yeoh in TND. Fair enough, they snog at the end, so it's possible they do later, but that is speculative.

 

[Brett_M]

I appreciate everyonbe's opinions -- this discussion is great.

Personally, I loved the film. As he dispatched villain after villain, I couldn't help but hear Carly Simon in my mind saying that "nobody does it better." Bond is not Bourne. Bond is THE BEST. The Vesper arc is done. You can bet the next film will have more quips, gadgets, and Quantum holding the world hostage.

 

[Steve Christou]

And some good news for Judi Dench haters -

Dame Judi Dench threatens to quit Bond | The Sun |Showbiz|Film

 

[Edwin-S]

I don't hate Dench, but I think her character is getting too much screen time in these latter day Bond films. Broccoli's comments about Dench being the "real Bond girl" and Dench being the lynch pin that keeps the series going just shows me that Broccoli is clueless about her own franchise. The success of the Bond films, with her as producer, is a testament to the popularity of the character rather than any testament of her ability to produce good Bond movies.

 

[Dave Scarpa]

Yep and How many films now have , going back to Brosnan, have we had Dench Calling Bond a Dinosaur, yelling at him for Breaking the rules, Threatening to revoke his OO status, sicking the Dogs on him to reel him in, then telling everyone that he's the guy to believe in ?

I think it's time for her to move on.

 

[Joe Karlosi]

I've said the exact same things, Dave. I actually liked Dench in the part at first -- but now she's becoming stuck in a scratchy-sounding groove and needs to vanish. I'm really surprised that even though the series was trying to go for a complete re-boot, Dench was brought back after her Brosnan appearances. But then again, now that I am beginning to understand Broccoli's agenda, maybe I see what the real deal is.

 

[DavidPla]

I haven't seen Quantum of Solace yet but I feel that how Judi Dench's M treats Daniel Craig is VERY different to how she treated Pierce Brosnan. With Brosnan, I always felt she respected him but didn't much like him, thus the sexist dinosaur quips. With Craig, I felt she was almost motherly towards him and grew to care for him. For example, she NEVER would have left Craig as a prisoner in Die Another Day as she did to Brosnan. Again this is without having seen Quantum of Solace but that to me was very apparent in Casino Royale.

 

[Brent M]

Finally saw QoS today and while it definitely wasn't as good as Casino Royale, I also don't think it was nearly as bad as some people are making it out to be. Many of the comments I read prior to seeing this film made me think it was the Bond equivalent of Battlefield Earth and it was far from that. My main gripe is that the villain was probably one of the worst Bond villains EVER. He wasn't menacing in any way and was just a very poor actor IMHO. Also, the plot was a little lame, but then again most Bond movies aren't exactly praised for their plotlines so I suppose I can forgive that.

The action sequences were a bit frenetic, but overall I didn't really have a problem with them(although I would've liked to see more of the Aston Martin as opposed to Craig driving it). Speaking of Craig, he cemented my opinion that he's the best Bond yet. No offense to Connery, Moore or Brosnan fans, but I think Craig gets top honors for his portrayal and I can't wait to see him in the next installment.

 

[Steve Christou]

Yep, my feelings too, the villain was weak, the story a little lame but an enjoyable film just the same. Though Connery is still my favourite Bond, but for these new films I can't imagine anyone better than Craig. Jude Law? urrgh! Gerard Butler? hmmm maybe. James McAvoy? nooo!

And btw is this the first Bond film to feature an attempted rape scene? tsk tsk and 30 years ago Roger Moore's 007 was driving a gondola thru St. Mark's Square, my how times have changed.

 

[Ray H]

Depends on what you consider "attempted". Surely Connery's Bond starts to have his way with Pussy Galore, but she eventually gives in, so it's alright.

 

[Dave Scarpa]

I think Clive Owen would've made a decent Bond.

 

[Edwin-S]

They don't mention why Dench is threatening to quit. It could be possible that even Dench, herself, is getting tired of the shrew that the character has become. She may be getting bored with the character's portrayal as a badgering den mother, whose only job seems to be berating Bond. Either that or it's the money.

 

[SilverWook]

Is there any reason they can't reinvent S.P.E.C.T.R.E and it's rogues gallery now?

Every time I see those "Cash for Gold" tv commercials, I think it's a fiendish plot by Goldfinger!

 

[Yee-Ming]

Not sure what MI6 could have done to break Bond out of North Korea. Unlike, say the old USSR, it's not as if Anglo MI6 agents could really run around North Korea covertly trying to figure out how to stage a jailbreak. And M can't order the SAS to stage a hit-and-run, even assuming the PM would sanction such a blatant violation of another nation's sovereignty.

But I certainly agree with the comemnts about the difference in tone: M seems to have "inherited" Brosnan's Bond as an incumbent (and in her view, outmoded) agent whilst she is the new head of MI6, whereas with CR being a reboot origin story M is the incumbent and Bond is the rookie earning his double-0 status.