Is there any DVD-A players with bass managment?

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  1. Wes

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    I would like to buy a DVD-A player but I need bass management. I had a Toshiba 4700 and it sounded bad with DVD-A but the DTS and DD sounded great. So I took it back and kept my 2800.

    Is there a good but inexpensive player with bass management?

    Wes
     
  2. John Kotches

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    Why not buy an ICBM and solve it permanently?

    Just curious.

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    John,

    that is an option, but don't you think bass management is something that should be required on a dvd-audio/sacd player? I do.
     
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    Kyle,

    It doesn't matter what you or I think should be required. It matters what's been delivered.

    Over the next few years the market will adapt digital outputs, so it's (long term) moot.

    It has taken far too long for digital transfers to get adopted and implemented.

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    The Pioneer 45a and 47ai both have almost complete bass management. The only discs that give them problems are some (not even all) DVD-A 4.0 discs, which are relatively rare anyway. I think the Denon 2900 has complete bass management.

    The problem with the ICBM, is that for players that do time alignment, the ICBM goes after that, and you will get phase problems to the sub. Now whether you can hear that or not, is another question... [​IMG] Or, you can elect to have no time (and distance) compensation for those particular players, and then the question is, can you hear the effects of *that*. [​IMG] But the ICBM is definitely more flexible.
     
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    Wes,

    Variable crossover frequency, and ability to redirect from small to large front channels. Variable subwoofer output (typically set to full output), and 6.1 capability are the big reasons for ICBM over the internal bass management.

    For most, the 563A will do the job just fine.

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    my Pioneer 656, European equivalent to the 45A, has no good manegment, since I can´t put the .1 info on my mains. If I tell the player "no Sub", it just drops the .1 channel entirely.
     
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    Hartwig- The Denon 2900 does that too.

    No word on the 5900 yet.
     
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    Can someone explain exactly what bass management features the Pioneer DV-45a/DV-47ai have? I'm very interested in purchasing one of these.
     
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    Brian,

    This has been discussed ad nauseum....please search for "45A BM" or "47a BM". There are threads with hundreds of posts.

    Short story, as Kevin said, they both offer BM, but there are some quirks that some will find unacceptable. The biggest flaws that I recall are that it does not redirect the .1 to the mains when you have no sub, and it does not send bass to the sub on certain DVD-A 4.0 discs when you DO have a sub. The crossover and slopes are also non-adjustable and may not work for you.

    If you want BM to be 100% correct, you will need an external solution, such as an ICBM.

    Once you get over the hurdle of "why the hell do I have to pay for this?" you will never regret it.

    BGL
     
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    The Denon DVD-2200 has full bass management.
     
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    John- Do you know if the 2200:

    a) redirects the center channel for DVD-A/SACD if you choose "none"

    b) redirects the LFE info to the mains if you choose "no" sub and "large" mains for DVD-A/SACD

    All DVD-V players have to do this for DD/DTS, but most universal DVD-A/SACD players don't do these two things for either of the high rez formats.
     

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