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Interesting report/news DSD vs. SACD at a German studio

Discussion in 'Music' started by John Kotches, Oct 1, 2003.

  1. John Kotches

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    A participant at Audio Asylum posted his own translation to an article appearing in a German Studio Technology magazine (Production Partner... http://www.production-partner.de ). The post on Audio Asylum is located http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dvda/messages/7851.html]here[/url]


    The post with translation is as follows

     
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    I bet lee is fluent in German for this one![​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks, John. This post/article simply confirms what I, the Great Mike Broadman, Audio Genius of the Universe, have been saying all along: it's not about the freakin' format, it's about the people behind knowing what they're doing.
     
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    Mike, I think you hit it on the head. Some CDs sound really good and others are poorly recorded as well.

    Rachael, I believe Lee will be back shortly from Octoberfest to comment on this.[​IMG]
     
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    LOL, Phil![​IMG] haltzen vita mah-sheen, nein shitezen! [​IMG]
     
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    Thanks for the info John. I love it when educated sources are willing to take their time & resources to make studies like this. However this is the only publication I have read that has favored PCM over DSD. The ones on American soil seem to advocate DSD because it's newer tech.

    I look forward to seeing someone else with the resources to make another comparison. This particular article seems to have a limited review panel.. wish they gathered a bunch of white-bearded, LP loving audiophiles and got their opinions as well.
     
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    We are talking about Deutche Grammaphone here. Not exactly one of the better places out there making SACDs or CDs for that matter.
     
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  10. John Kotches

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    Justin,

    It was an interesting read, but I can't vouch for the accuracy of the translation.

    BTW, I thought one of your comments was contradictory with my personal experience... don't take it personally [​IMG]

     
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    Scott,

    You need an upgrade to your translation algorithm [​IMG]

    It isn't a publication which selected PCM over DSD, it was Emil Berliner Studios, which is owned by (or affiliated with) Deutsche Gramophone. It was part of an interview with a person from these studios.

    Note how careful they were in their comparison, finding a .3 to .6dB in convertors causing imbalances in playback levels. Once these were accounted for, the differences became practically nill.

    I can understand why this would be disconcerting for some. It was done in their studios, with their equipment, and zero vested interests either way.

    Regards,
     
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    I was referring to Home Theater Mag. HT Mag had this big article on DVD-A vs SACD, and technical-wise SACD won out. They didn't do any listening tests. [​IMG] I wanted to make the point it was refreshing to see such an in-depth comparison between the two, from everything I've read it seems DSD is more preferred. But I'm still confused after reading this thread. I guess I'll just buy whatever player has the format of a Hi-Res album I really want (none are out yet). Can't lose either way, if they can't tell the difference how could I?
     
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    Scott,

    Universal players are a wise investment at this point. For most purchasers neither format has a lock on titles of their choice.

    I have both players in my main system, and have them precisely for that reason.

    I'm on the lookout for a competent, though not as pricey, player for my 2nd system.

    Regards,
     
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    There actually have been quite a few posts, some of them amusing, on Audio Asylum related to the above topic such as:

    http://www.audioasylum.com/forums/dv...ages/7865.html

    As consumers we can't control what Warner or Sony or anyone else chooses to release on a particular format so like many I have both formats. Separate machines in the main systm, a universal in the bedroom and when the basement gets done another universal player as well. The woes of declining sales in the music industry and potential mergers or buy-outs make it nearly impossible to predict whether either of the 2 hi-rez formats will become more than niche and last for a bit.
     
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    I think its good that studios are making their own comparisons for archival purposes. It is interesting to note that DG has been only (as fara as I know) issuing SACDs which may speak more to the end market potential.

    24/192k is a great format as well, but I still prefer DSD. The mastering makes a big difference as does the quality of the analog to digital converter.

    Hopefully the declining price of universal chips will enable both formats to be established as standards.

    Sorry it took so long to weigh in. I have been busy at work. [​IMG]
     

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