Man...sorry for the harsh title but I'm about ready to take my Denon 3802 (6 months old) back and demand a credit or throw it out the window. I am flat out amazed at how poor the amp section in this unit is. My experience confirms that receivers just don't have a good amp (sub $1500 receivers that is), must be way too much thought into features. Here's the setup - denon 3802 with an adcom CD player and Polk rta11tl speakers. Ever since I've been into audio it has always been about speaker/amp/source. Move into my new house complete with the home theater. I take the dive into home theater and replace my stereo HK integrated AMP of 100 watts/ch with the 3802. Much calibration and comparison of DACs follows but something is really missing. Midbass punch is missing, deep bass is missing. Tweeter screaming however has reared its ugly head. 5 months of fiddling with speaker position and room treatment yield not much better. I start looking for some B&W nautilus speakers - maybe I'm just tired of my speakers? Maybe the amp section of the 3802 blows? So, for giggles I hook up my HK integrated amp of 8 years to the 3802 pre-outs and move the main speakers to the HK. Start listening at moderate volume. WOWOWOWOWOWOW - my bass is back, my midbass is back, the tweeters aren't screaming at me....wowowowoowowoowwow. vocals are clear and not shrill. wowowowowowow. Checked my setup - yep, still as pure as can be. The 3802 is in direct mode with subwoofer set to off, mains set to small. Shouldn't matter though, all I've done is take the power and send it somewhere else. Start cranking the denon to -05. Shrill, no bass, no midbass, vocals bleed into all other midrange. Hook HK back up and listen at moderate levels. bass, midbass, vocals sharp and distinct, snares are tight, low end is tight and pronounced. Highs are smooth and mellow. Start really cranking the volume - same effect only louder...start clipping at insane volume so i bump it down a few notches. smooth. Yep...taking the 3802 back (thank god I have a good relationship with my dealer) and NEVER buying a receiver again. Sorry had to vent. I can't believe that after all this time it was my receiver causing me such sadness. Maybe I'll keep it around for a pre/pro. PS - all through these test the pre-amp section of the 3802 remained unchanged. Direct, sub to off, mode PCM. Cables are of good ($100) quality.