http://www.definitivetech.com/loudsp....html#scuberef Let's say you could get it at a very, very good price. I want something that is clean (doesn't have to be REL clean, but not Sony subwoofer boomy), but I also want it to rattle my bones. I have played with the smaller SuperCube I (10" vs. 14" driver on the Reference) and it does very well, but I would be able to easily get the Reference instead for not a lot more. Any experience with this? Will it have 'sufficent' output? Call me crazy, but for now it would go in a fairly small room (1580 cu. ft.), so I am sure room lock would be pathetically easy for this unit to achieve. My current subwoofer is a JBL E250P and I am fairly happy with it (especially with the price I got it for), but this will be retired to another room. Thanks a bunch!