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#1 of 29 OFFLINE   Brenty

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Posted November 10 2013 - 07:44 AM

I've nothing whatsoever against a stereo or discrete surround remix being created for a film which had a mono original, general-release soundtrack as long as both are included on a new DVD/BD.

 

If well-done, and particularly from original stems, the results are often at worst interesting and at best, surprisingly good.

For the record I tend to watch with the original mono by myself and play the surround mix when viewing with friends and family.

 

If the mono is included it's often downgraded to a lossy Dolby Digital track but that's just about acceptable. I really object, however, when it's not included at all. There are any number of DVDs where this occurs but can you give examples of BDs which do this?

 

On Euro releases mono OSTs are often left off, where the US discs include them, which is inexcusable. At least then I can go to the extra effort and expense of buying the US BD.

I'm specifically talking about instances where the mono track isn't available on any BD worldwide.

 

Naturally I'm not including mono downmixes of the remixed track...

 

A few that spring immediately to mind, are:

 

Earth vs the Flying Saucers (1956)

20 Million Miles to Earth (1957)

The Magnificent Seven (1960)

Quatermass and the Pit (1967)

King Kong (1976)

The Terminator (1984)

 

Can you supply other examples?

 

Edit:

 

Ok, based on the suggestions so far here's an amended list:

 

Airplane!

An American Werewolf in London

And Justice for All

Animal House

The Apartment

The Aristocats

Barry Lyndon

Billy Jack

Blazing Saddles

Body Heat

The Breakfast Club (unconfirmed original mono)

Caddyshack

The Cannonball Run

A Clockwork Orange

Dead and Buried

Dirty Harry

Earth vs. the Flying Saucers

The Enforcer

Enter the Dragon

The Evil Dead (1981)

The Evil Dead II (1987)

Excalibur

The Exorcist

Fast Times at Ridgmont High

Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter

Friday The 13th: A New Beginning

Full Metal Jacket

[Halloween (1978) - 2007 BD: DD orig. mono; 2013 35th Ann. BD: DD mono downmix of 7.1 remix; 2014 box set-only 35th Anniversary BD: corrected Dolby TrueHD orig. mono]

High Plains Drifter

Jeremiah Johnson

The Jerk

Kramer vs. Kramer

The Magnificent Seven (1960)

Magnum Force

The Manchurian Candidate

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

Meet Me in St. Louis

Midnight Cowboy

The Naked Gun

North by Northwest

The Odd Couple

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

The Outlaw Josey Wales

Quatermass and the Pit

The Rescuers

Robin Hood (1973)

The Shining (1980)

Silver Streak

Singin' in the Rain

Sixteen Candles

Smokey and the Bandit

Some Like It Hot

The Sting

Straw Dogs

Sudden Impact

The Sword in the Stone

The Terminator (1984)

Three Days of the Condor

THX 1138

Trading Places

20 Million Miles to Earth

Westworld

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)

 

Are there any more?


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Posted November 10 2013 - 08:04 AM

KING KONG 1976 did have some release prints with four track magnetic stereo sound.   I saw one back in the original release.  So I am not sure we can say mono sound was its primary mix.



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Posted November 10 2013 - 05:49 PM

This is apt to be a very long list indeed. I'll start it off with:

 

Singin' in the Rain

Meet Me in St. Louis

Dirty Harry

Magnum Force

The Enforcer

Sudden Impact

High Plains Drifter

The Outlaw Josey Wales

The Sword in the Stone

The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh

Robin Hood (1973)

North by Northwest

Some Like it Hot

The Apartment

The Manchurian Candidate

The Odd Couple

Midnight Cowboy

The Sting

Kramer Vs. Kramer

 

And I'm sure there are many, many more that I can't think of right now...


Edited by Mark-P, November 10 2013 - 06:07 PM.


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Posted November 10 2013 - 06:11 PM

Halloween

#5 of 29 OFFLINE   Mark-P

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Posted November 10 2013 - 06:35 PM

I just thought of three more:

 

Fast Times at Ridgmont High

Sixteen Candles

The Breakfast Club (even though IMBD claims it was Dolby, I'm pretty sure it was originally mono)



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Posted November 10 2013 - 07:15 PM

Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter

Friday The 13th: Part V- A New Beginning

 

Parts VI through VIII are missing their original soundtrack as well but they weren't mono in the theaters.



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Posted November 11 2013 - 03:39 AM

Ah, I suspected this could potentially be a never-ending list...  :(

 

Jim, you're dead right, re KK76. I should've checked first, because I suspected that a mono OST for a major mid-70s action film was a bit of an anomaly. What's more, the BD has a great, dynamic mix and I was a little concerned that new effects might have been added. I guess now that's definitely not the case - phew!

 

Don't quote me on this, but as far as I can ascertain, it was released in the following permutations:

 

35mm prints, mono - regular release

35mm prints, four-track stereo - suitably-equipped theatres

70mm blow-up prints, six-track stereo

70mm blow-up prints, six-track stereo with Sensurround outside the US


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Posted November 11 2013 - 07:19 AM

There's a lot. A sampling:

 

The Exorcist

Trading Places

An American Werewolf in London

A Clockwork Orange

Barry Lyndon

The Shining

Full Metal Jacket

Animal House

Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory

Straw Dogs

THX 1138

Billy Jack

Jeremiah Johnson

Westworld

Enter the Dragon

Blazing Saddles

Three Days of the Condor

One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest

Silver Streak

Smokey and the Bandit

The Rescuers

The Jerk

And Justice for All

Caddyshack

Airplane!

The Cannonball Run

Excalibur

Body Heat

Dead and Buried

The Evil Dead


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#9 of 29 OFFLINE   Jim*Tod

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Posted November 11 2013 - 10:08 AM

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"][font="georgia, serif;"]I know here in Virginia stereo sound was rare for most theatres in the mid-70's.  The place I saw KK 76 was a tiny little triplex which was equipped for both four track/35mm and six track/70mm in Churchland, a suburb of Portsmouth.  They were the first in VA, as far as I know, to install Dolby Stereo with a 70mm showing of A STAR IS BORN in late 76 and then STAR WARS in the summer of '77.  Most of the initial showings of SW in Va were mono.  Of course within three years this would change, albeit with Dolby sound systems of decidedly variable quality.  The Tidewater area was quicker to convert than the Central Va (Richmond) area. I must admit the KK 76 is not a fave of mine, though I do really like the John Barry score.[/font][/font]



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Posted November 13 2013 - 12:53 AM

Some non-U.S. releases drop the "original mono" track since they add various dubs (German, French, Spanish, etc) to the disc. It's very annoying.

 

I personally like that the original mono (IF it's really the original track and not some downmix or "newer" mix) is included but at the same time I have admit that I usually watch the film with 5.1 surround.



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Posted November 13 2013 - 04:06 AM

KK76 was not released in Sensurround although the logo is on a promoposter.

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Posted November 16 2013 - 07:03 AM

Hmm, interesting... There are numerous secondary sources around citing Kong's overseas Sensurround release, including various film books, though I can't find even a single reference to a primary source.

 

At this point, I'm willing to lay odds that this info originates from the fact that Universal's mid-70s Kong remake (abandoned when Paramount got theirs under way) was slated for a Sensurround release.

 

Universal, of course, had an exclusive deal with Cerwin-Vega to develop & market Sensurround, so Paramount's Kong being released in this format anywhere is extremely unlikely.


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Posted November 16 2013 - 11:25 PM

The Naked Gun- ironic since that was the last major release to be produced with a mono soundtrack.


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Posted February 12 2014 - 01:14 PM

A cheeky leetle bump.  ;)

 

Is that it? If so, the situation isn't quite as bad as I thought, though it does require hunting down BDs from different territories...


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Posted February 12 2014 - 01:37 PM

The Wizard of Oz never had its ORIGINAL mono track on bluray. The mono on the first release was from the altered 1998 soundtrack.


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Posted February 12 2014 - 05:31 PM

The Naked Gun- ironic since that was the last major release to be produced with a mono soundtrack.

 

I thought Woody Allen kept mixing in mono long after that?

 

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Posted February 13 2014 - 03:56 AM

If there was a stereo mix for the film, even if it went on general release in mono, then stereo's fine, in fact I'm grateful to hear it in stereo for the first time (all those 50's cinemscope movies). But when they muck a mono track around for 5.1, then please give me the option of the original mono track.



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Posted February 13 2014 - 02:43 PM

The Breakfast Club (even though IMBD claims it was Dolby, I'm pretty sure it was originally mono)

Nope; Dolby.Posted Image


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Posted March 14 2014 - 12:18 PM

[font="arial, helvetica, sans-serif;"][font="georgia, serif;"]I know here in Virginia stereo sound was rare for most theatres in the mid-70's.  The place I saw KK 76 was a tiny little triplex which was equipped for both four track/35mm and six track/70mm in Churchland, a suburb of Portsmouth.  They were the first in VA, as far as I know, to install Dolby Stereo with a 70mm showing of A STAR IS BORN in late 76 and then STAR WARS in the summer of '77.[/font][/font]

Are you referring to the Plaza?  If so, I believe those presentations of A STAR IS BORN and STAR WARS would have been 35mm four-channel Dolby Stereo.  Dolby's installation records from that time-frame indicate a Dolby CP50 processor was what was installed there in 1976. The Plaza didn't install a CP100 (the processor at the time that could handle 70mm-six-track Dolby playback) until 1978.



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Posted March 14 2014 - 01:56 PM

Nope; Dolby.Posted Image

Nope. Mono. Check the end credit roll. Movie posters can be wrong.




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