Original Mono Soundtracks Missing On Blu-ray

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    Brent Reid

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    I've nothing whatsoever against a stereo or discrete surround remix being created for a film which had a mono original, general-release soundtrack as long as both are included on a new DVD/BD. If done well, and particularly from original stems, the results are often at worst interesting and at best, surprisingly good. For the record I tend to watch with the original mono by myself and play the surround mix when viewing with friends and family.

    If the mono is included it's often downgraded to a lossy Dolby Digital track but that's just about acceptable. On Euro releases mono OSTs are often left off, where the US discs include them, which is inexcusable. At least then I can go to the extra effort and expense of buying the US BD. I really object, however, when it's not included at all. There are any number of DVDs where this occurs but can you give examples of BDs which do this? I specifically mean instances where the mono track isn't available on any BD worldwide. Naturally I'm not including mono downmixes of the remixed track...

    A few that spring immediately to mind, are:
    • Earth vs the Flying Saucers (1956)
    • 20 Million Miles to Earth (1957)
    • The Magnificent Seven (1960)
    • Quatermass and the Pit (1967)
    • King Kong (1976)
    • The Terminator (1984)
    Can you supply other examples?

    Edit: Ok, based on the suggestions so far here's an amended list:
    • Airplane!
    • An American Werewolf in London
    • And Justice for All
    • Animal House
    • The Apartment
    • The Aristocats
    • Barry Lyndon
    • Billy Jack
    • Blazing Saddles
    • Body Heat
    • The Breakfast Club (unconfirmed original mono)
    • Caddyshack
    • The Cannonball Run
    • A Clockwork Orange
    • Dead and Buried
    • Dirty Harry
    • Earth vs. the Flying Saucers
    • The Enforcer
    • Enter the Dragon
    • The Evil Dead (1981)
    • The Evil Dead II (1987)
    • Excalibur
    • The Exorcist
    • Fast Times at Ridgmont High
    • Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter
    • Friday The 13th: A New Beginning
    • Full Metal Jacket
    • [Halloween (1978) – 2007 BD: DD orig. mono; 2013 35th Ann. BD: DD mono downmix of 7.1 remix; 2014 box set-only 35th Anniversary BD: corrected Dolby TrueHD orig. mono]
    • High Plains Drifter
    • Jeremiah Johnson
    • The Jerk
    • Kramer vs. Kramer
    • Mad Max (1979) – BD mono and 2.0 stereo tracks: downmixes of 5.1 remix
    • The Magnificent Seven (1960)
    • Magnum Force
    • The Manchurian Candidate
    • The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
    • Meet Me in St. Louis
    • Midnight Cowboy
    • The Naked Gun
    • North by Northwest
    • The Odd Couple
    • One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    • The Outlaw Josey Wales
    • Quatermass and the Pit
    • The Rescuers
    • Robin Hood (1973)
    • The Shining (1980)
    • Silver Streak
    • Singin' in the Rain
    • Sixteen Candles
    • Smokey and the Bandit
    • Some Like It Hot
    • The Sting
    • Straw Dogs
    • Sudden Impact
    • The Sword in the Stone
    • The Terminator (1984)
    • The Warriors
    • Three Days of the Condor
    • THX 1138
    • Trading Places
    • 20 Million Miles to Earth
    • Westworld
    • Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory (1971)
    Are there any more?

    NB: Blu-rays With Missing Elements in the Primary Audio Track may also be of interest.
     
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    KING KONG 1976 did have some release prints with four track magnetic stereo sound. I saw one back in the original release. So I am not sure we can say mono sound was its primary mix.
     
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    This is apt to be a very long list indeed. I'll start it off with:

    Singin' in the Rain
    Meet Me in St. Louis
    Dirty Harry
    Magnum Force
    The Enforcer
    Sudden Impact
    High Plains Drifter
    The Outlaw Josey Wales
    The Sword in the Stone
    The Many Adventures of Winnie the Pooh
    Robin Hood (1973)
    North by Northwest
    Some Like it Hot
    The Apartment
    The Manchurian Candidate
    The Odd Couple
    Midnight Cowboy
    The Sting
    Kramer Vs. Kramer

    And I'm sure there are many, many more that I can't think of right now...
     
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    Halloween
     
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    I just thought of three more:

    Fast Times at Ridgmont High
    Sixteen Candles
    The Breakfast Club (even though IMBD claims it was Dolby, I'm pretty sure it was originally mono)
     
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    Friday The 13th: The Final Chapter
    Friday The 13th: Part V- A New Beginning

    Parts VI through VIII are missing their original soundtrack as well but they weren't mono in the theaters.
     
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    Ah, I suspected this could potentially be a never-ending list... :(

    Jim, you're dead right, re KK76. I should've checked first, because I suspected that a mono OST for a major mid-70s action film was a bit of an anomaly. What's more, the BD has a great, dynamic mix and I was a little concerned that new effects might have been added. I guess now that's definitely not the case - phew!

    Don't quote me on this, but as far as I can ascertain, it was released in the following permutations:

    35mm prints, mono - regular release
    35mm prints, four-track stereo - suitably-equipped theatres
    70mm blow-up prints, six-track stereo
    70mm blow-up prints, six-track stereo with Sensurround outside the US
     
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    There's a lot. A sampling:

    The Exorcist
    Trading Places
    An American Werewolf in London
    A Clockwork Orange
    Barry Lyndon
    The Shining
    Full Metal Jacket
    Animal House
    Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
    Straw Dogs
    THX 1138
    Billy Jack
    Jeremiah Johnson
    Westworld
    Enter the Dragon
    Blazing Saddles
    Three Days of the Condor
    One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest
    Silver Streak
    Smokey and the Bandit
    The Rescuers
    The Jerk
    And Justice for All
    Caddyshack
    Airplane!
    The Cannonball Run
    Excalibur
    Body Heat
    Dead and Buried
    The Evil Dead
     
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    I know here in Virginia stereo sound was rare for most theatres in the mid-70's. The place I saw KK 76 was a tiny little triplex which was equipped for both four track/35mm and six track/70mm in Churchland, a suburb of Portsmouth. They were the first in VA, as far as I know, to install Dolby Stereo with a 70mm showing of A STAR IS BORN in late 76 and then STAR WARS in the summer of '77. Most of the initial showings of SW in Va were mono. Of course within three years this would change, albeit with Dolby sound systems of decidedly variable quality. The Tidewater area was quicker to convert than the Central Va (Richmond) area. I must admit the KK 76 is not a fave of mine, though I do really like the John Barry score.
     
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    Some non-U.S. releases drop the "original mono" track since they add various dubs (German, French, Spanish, etc) to the disc. It's very annoying.

    I personally like that the original mono (IF it's really the original track and not some downmix or "newer" mix) is included but at the same time I have admit that I usually watch the film with 5.1 surround.
     
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    KK76 was not released in Sensurround although the logo is on a promoposter.
     
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    Hmm, interesting... There are numerous secondary sources around citing Kong's overseas Sensurround release, including various film books, though I can't find even a single reference to a primary source.

    At this point, I'm willing to lay odds that this info originates from the fact that Universal's mid-70s Kong remake (abandoned when Paramount got theirs under way) was slated for a Sensurround release.

    Universal, of course, had an exclusive deal with Cerwin-Vega to develop & market Sensurround, so Paramount's Kong being released in this format anywhere is extremely unlikely.
     
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    The Naked Gun- ironic since that was the last major release to be produced with a mono soundtrack.
     
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    A cheeky leetle bump. ;)

    Is that it? If so, the situation isn't quite as bad as I thought, though it does require hunting down BDs from different territories...
     
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    The Wizard of Oz never had its ORIGINAL mono track on bluray. The mono on the first release was from the altered 1998 soundtrack.
     
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    I thought Woody Allen kept mixing in mono long after that?

    Vincent
     
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    If there was a stereo mix for the film, even if it went on general release in mono, then stereo's fine, in fact I'm grateful to hear it in stereo for the first time (all those 50's cinemscope movies). But when they muck a mono track around for 5.1, then please give me the option of the original mono track.
     
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    Nope; Dolby.[​IMG]
     
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    Are you referring to the Plaza? If so, I believe those presentations of A STAR IS BORN and STAR WARS would have been 35mm four-channel Dolby Stereo. Dolby's installation records from that time-frame indicate a Dolby CP50 processor was what was installed there in 1976. The Plaza didn't install a CP100 (the processor at the time that could handle 70mm-six-track Dolby playback) until 1978.
     
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    Nope. Mono. Check the end credit roll. Movie posters can be wrong.
     

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