Raptor382
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Hi, so, after reading an article on the HSU subs, im leaning toward one of them. SVS just is too far out of my price range, as is Axiom. The primus PS312 just didnt appear to be as good as the HSU subs.
this will be paired with a pair of Primus 363 mains, P163 surrounds, and PC351 center.
the only other options i think would work would be the outlaw subs.
granted, the outlaw LFM subs were also designed in conjunction with HSU.
So, these are the options im looking at, a little help would be appreciated:
HSU VTF-2 MK4:
Price: $529
Power: BASH 1000W short term - 250W continuous
Speakers: 12" down firing with 2 rear ports (that can be plugged)
Freq. Resp.: 18Hz ported or 25Hz ported or sealed
SPL: appears to be in the range of 110-118 dB (depending on configuration)
Warranty: 7 years on woofer, 2 years on electronics
Outlaw Audio:
LFM-1 Plus:
Price: $549
Power: 1300W peak - 350W RMS
Speakers: Down firing 12" Long throw (ports can be plugged)
Freq. Resp.: 25 Hz (w/o port plug), 18Hz (w/port plug)
SPL: 115 dB
Warranty: 3 year parts and labor on both amplifier and driver
LFM 1 - EX:
Price: $649
Power: 350W RMS
Speakers: Down firing 12" long throw (ports can be plugged)
Freq. Resp.: 16Hz (w/1 port plugged), 22Hz (w/ no port plugged)
SPL: 118 dB
Warranty: 3 year parts and labor on both amplifier and driver
Anyway, the prices can be worked around a bit as, while the HSU is a cheaper price, you pay for shipping, whereas the Outlaw subs have free shipping. Also, im not real sure about down firing subs, ive read (like all opinions) mixed reviews. Some people say they sound "muddy", some say the fact that they are always 2-3" from the ground that you dont have to worry about how close you put them to walls and such.
I have heard that one advantage to a down firing sub is that it helps to remove the directionality of it, it will make the bass less likely to localize.
Being my apartment has a faux hard wood floor surface, but under i believe it is a concrete surface, how will the sound be affected. Will it be "boomy", or will it bounce around and not be as good? Would the addition of a Subdude or GRAMMA make the sub sound better (their site claims that those products remove any resonance and give better tonal quality).
Also, for people who have hard floors, is it better to place your speakers on carpet patches? I've wondered about my P363 mains and surrounds (the P163's will be on metal stands). The P363's have floor spikes, would i be better off putting them on pieces of carpet or just leave them on the hard floor? Same with my surround speakers on the stands.
I'm thinking of getting an area run for my living room. One that would basically extend from the front of the TV stand and end in front of my couch. How would that change the way my speakers sound?
Also, i was reading that invterview with Dr. Hsu and he said that if he were to build a system from scratch, he wouldnt get floor standing speakers, with a good sub, he would go with mini monitors. Says that with a good sub, there is no need for the bass of a floorstanding speaker and that mini monitors give better imaging. Is this true?
And lastly...speaker orientation. Better to have the mains and surrounds pointing straight out, or have them turned in a little? Is there a sound difference or is it just preference?
Thanks
this will be paired with a pair of Primus 363 mains, P163 surrounds, and PC351 center.
the only other options i think would work would be the outlaw subs.
granted, the outlaw LFM subs were also designed in conjunction with HSU.
So, these are the options im looking at, a little help would be appreciated:
HSU VTF-2 MK4:
Price: $529
Power: BASH 1000W short term - 250W continuous
Speakers: 12" down firing with 2 rear ports (that can be plugged)
Freq. Resp.: 18Hz ported or 25Hz ported or sealed
SPL: appears to be in the range of 110-118 dB (depending on configuration)
Warranty: 7 years on woofer, 2 years on electronics
Outlaw Audio:
LFM-1 Plus:
Price: $549
Power: 1300W peak - 350W RMS
Speakers: Down firing 12" Long throw (ports can be plugged)
Freq. Resp.: 25 Hz (w/o port plug), 18Hz (w/port plug)
SPL: 115 dB
Warranty: 3 year parts and labor on both amplifier and driver
LFM 1 - EX:
Price: $649
Power: 350W RMS
Speakers: Down firing 12" long throw (ports can be plugged)
Freq. Resp.: 16Hz (w/1 port plugged), 22Hz (w/ no port plugged)
SPL: 118 dB
Warranty: 3 year parts and labor on both amplifier and driver
Anyway, the prices can be worked around a bit as, while the HSU is a cheaper price, you pay for shipping, whereas the Outlaw subs have free shipping. Also, im not real sure about down firing subs, ive read (like all opinions) mixed reviews. Some people say they sound "muddy", some say the fact that they are always 2-3" from the ground that you dont have to worry about how close you put them to walls and such.
I have heard that one advantage to a down firing sub is that it helps to remove the directionality of it, it will make the bass less likely to localize.
Being my apartment has a faux hard wood floor surface, but under i believe it is a concrete surface, how will the sound be affected. Will it be "boomy", or will it bounce around and not be as good? Would the addition of a Subdude or GRAMMA make the sub sound better (their site claims that those products remove any resonance and give better tonal quality).
Also, for people who have hard floors, is it better to place your speakers on carpet patches? I've wondered about my P363 mains and surrounds (the P163's will be on metal stands). The P363's have floor spikes, would i be better off putting them on pieces of carpet or just leave them on the hard floor? Same with my surround speakers on the stands.
I'm thinking of getting an area run for my living room. One that would basically extend from the front of the TV stand and end in front of my couch. How would that change the way my speakers sound?
Also, i was reading that invterview with Dr. Hsu and he said that if he were to build a system from scratch, he wouldnt get floor standing speakers, with a good sub, he would go with mini monitors. Says that with a good sub, there is no need for the bass of a floorstanding speaker and that mini monitors give better imaging. Is this true?
And lastly...speaker orientation. Better to have the mains and surrounds pointing straight out, or have them turned in a little? Is there a sound difference or is it just preference?
Thanks