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#1 of 14 OFFLINE   Eddie L

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Posted September 14 2010 - 06:44 PM

I got way ahead of myself

I thought my Pioneer CLD-99 laserdisc player had component out....EHHH!

Wrong!

So now I need help finding a mid priced receiver with S-Video in

ealier I listed 5 receivers I was interested in (Help me....thread)

but from what I can find NONE have S-video

Yamaha RX-V665

Yamaha RX-V765

Pioneer VSX-1019 AH-K

Denon AVR 1910

Sony STR-DN1010

 

any thoughts....advice?

and NO, I'm not getting rid of the LD player

thanks,

Ed



#2 of 14 OFFLINE   Eddie L

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Posted September 14 2010 - 08:03 PM

OK, I've found 2 so far with S-video

Yamaha RX-V567

Denon AVR-791

at this point I'm leaning toward the Denon

thoughts?



#3 of 14 OFFLINE   gene c

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Posted September 14 2010 - 10:51 PM

I'd lean that way too.

 

Looks like S-Video is being phased out. Multi-ch inputs too to a lesser degree.


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#4 of 14 OFFLINE   John Brill

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Posted September 15 2010 - 01:14 AM

Take a closer look, all the Denon's have at least 1 S-Video input (mostly for Ipod dock usage but you can use it for any S-Video device input).



#5 of 14 OFFLINE   Jason Charlton

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Posted September 15 2010 - 01:40 AM

S-video is being phased out, but regardless, I wouldn't use S-Video in the first place (especially if it compromises your choice of receivers).  Here's a recent thread that discussed this very topic:

 

http://www.hometheat...t-s-video-input

 

Laserdisc is a composite-based format.  There is no benefit to using S-Video (at least that's the jist of the discussion).

 

Food for thought.


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#6 of 14 OFFLINE   Eddie L

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Posted September 15 2010 - 07:36 AM

I have always regarded S-video far superior to composite on the CLD-99. My older projector (Yamaha DPX-1) has both inputs, and just running cables straight from the player to the projector was a no brainer in deciding which to use. Until I just read these replies and thread listed I would never have thought composite was the way to go. So I did a little reseach on my own and went here:

http://www.laserdisc...lite_cld-99.htm

It's an article I found comparing the CLD-97 to the 99

Now I'm not any kind of techie by any means, but it seems that the big difference with this player is the 3D adaptive digital Y/C filter for S-video output

most of the info pertaining to this subject starts about 1/2 way down the page and then with the summary

 

OK, now with that said, whatever method I used, wouldn't one of the receivers I have listed upgrade the signal and pass it thru the HDMI output?

or no it can't upgrade ffrom S-video signal to HDMI ?

 

I think I'm still leaning towards the Denon AVR-791

apparently it's the same receiver as the 1910 without the extra do-dads like iphone, digital radio stuff, I could care less about

 

 



#7 of 14 OFFLINE   Jason Charlton

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Posted September 15 2010 - 07:57 AM

Both the Denon 791 and the Yamaha 567 do analog-to-digital conversion of video signals, so yes, whatever signal you feed the receiver can be output via HDMI.


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#8 of 14 OFFLINE   Rachael B

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Posted September 15 2010 - 01:08 PM



Originally Posted by Eddie L 

I got way ahead of myself

I thought my Pioneer CLD-99 laserdisc player had component out....EHHH!.....

 


Consider getting a video processor that has Composite/S-video in and Component video out. You could get one of the early models of the DVDO iscan for a song. I use an iscan V2 for my LD-S9 to give it component output. For you, I'd suggest you find a video processor that has a 3-D comb filter, which the V2 does not, and use composite video out of the 99. So, you ask why. The comb filter in the 99 does indeed reduce dot crawl but the cost is that your colour gets muted by the 99's comb filter. It's a 1995 comb filter and it wasn't even Pioneer's best at that time. Their best comb was in the LD-S9, a Japanese model, that's similar to the 99 and in their RP sets. You're missing full colour fidelity using the 99's S-video out.

 

I also have a 99 and I use it's composite out these days. The 99's 3-D comb might have been near the top of the class in '95 but a year or two later it was a mediocre comb filter.


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#9 of 14 OFFLINE   Eddie L

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Posted September 16 2010 - 06:10 AM

Interesting Rachael. I'll definitely check this out

so is this the hook up then:

composite out of the CLD-99 to composite in to the processor THEN component out of the processor to component in to the receiver or direct to the projector?

I'm not familiar with video processors



#10 of 14 OFFLINE   Rachael B

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Posted September 16 2010 - 07:51 AM



Originally Posted by Eddie L 

Interesting Rachael. I'll definitely check this out

so is this the hook up then:

composite out of the CLD-99 to composite in to the processor THEN component out of the processor to component in to the receiver or direct to the projector?

I'm not familiar with video processors


You've got it. What you need is a video processor from ican or anybody else that has a quality 3-D comb filter on board. My V2 does not but the 3-D comb in the LD-S9 is hunky dory. The V2 has a 3-line comb filter that's probably inferior to the 99's 3-D circuit. It's nearly criminal that Pioneer pawned off the CLD-99 as a top of the line deck. In Japan, it's equivalent model, was their 3rd best player back in '95. The thing about putting LD signals into HDTV's and projectors is, first the comb filter is a factor, then the de-interlacer (scaler) is a factor. Either of those factors can upset the apple cart. I use my S9 with a Sony XBR 34" tube. It has a 3-D comb filter, a good one. The problem is that Sony put a mediocre de-interlacer in the set. It smears detail, badly. The best way into the set, to avoid the de-interlacer is component video. It's that or HDMI. I think that there are sheety de-interlacers in the overwhelming number of HDTV's out there. Why? My theory is they presume most folks would pump VHS into their set's analog inputs and if it looked poorly, they'd blame the VHS format.

 

Another question is, does your projector have a good comb filter in it? I'd check the manual.


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#11 of 14 OFFLINE   Eddie L

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Posted September 16 2010 - 05:31 PM

I'm sorry Rachael B, but you gotta consider me ignorant when it comes to techie stuff. That said, I went to Anchor Bay to look at discontinued models (early ones for a song). Anyway I see none that say 3-D comb filter. All I see is "High-quality super-adaptive comb filter with 2D Y/C separation". Thanks again for your input. OH, I couldn't find anything about a filter in the projectors, but then again I'm kinda old school with a Yamaha DPX-1 in one room and a Yamaha DPX-830 in the other.



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Posted September 17 2010 - 08:46 AM

There's other brands of video processors. I'm no expert on 'em. I've only had the one. If you can't find advice on video processors here try the AVS Forum. There's certainly one out there that can give your 99 a helping hand.


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Posted September 19 2010 - 02:50 AM

I was surprised just yesterday when I noticed that a recent Blu-ray player has HDMI, component, and composite (!) outputs, but no S-Video.



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Posted September 19 2010 - 03:30 AM

S-video has virtually disappeared from all BD players. Composite has emerged as the "emergency" connection of choice. The last 3 BD players I've bought, Momitsu 899, Momitsu 799, and Oppo 83 all lack S-video.


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