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It's Official: HD DVD and Blu-ray Can Limit High Resolution To HDMI Only


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#41 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 12 2005 - 04:08 PM

Let's stop with the name calling right now! Keep the discussion focused on the opinions expressed in this thread. Any personal attacks on another member will not be tolerated on this forum. Thank you for your consideration in this matter.





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#42 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 12 2005 - 04:13 PM

Glad to know that only people that agree with you are allowed to post here. Funny, I thought we were meant to voice our opinion concerning this "boycott" effort. An effort that is apparently becoming more and more elitist and paranoia driven by the day.

Disagreement and expressing one's opinion is fine and dandy, but personal attacks on other members are not allowed on this forum.








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#43 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 12 2005 - 04:23 PM

PeterTHX: You know, especially with post #263, you come across like a studio shill. Are you? Some business afiliation?

Craig,
What is it about my previous two posts you don't understand?






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#44 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 13 2005 - 03:52 AM

Let's calm down.





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#45 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 13 2005 - 04:06 AM

Nils,
The cost will be much more because many will not only have to upgrade their television, but also their receiver/amp/processor as well as buying a new dvd player. You're talking about thousands of dollars that you will have to spend all at once on equipment you're replacing less than five years old.





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#46 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 13 2005 - 04:41 AM

I suppose that depends on how you value speakers. Most 'experts' suggest that when budgeting for a audio system over 50% of the budget should go towards speakers - and that was when a system only had a pair of speakers. When audiophiles upgraded to a multi-channel audio format, besides new equipment, they had to buy additional speakers.

Even without buying new speakers it will still cost thousands of dollars. How much do you think a new television, receiver/amp/processor and a HD disc player will cost?
The point is that there is already a history where new formats required new equipment in order to take full advantage of what the new format has to offer - which is why I am surprised so many are reacting to the possibility that this will be the case with the new HiDef DVD format(s).

Because the timeline between the last upgrade and this one is much shorter than it was when we upgraded our current television and audio processor from the time before and will probably be more expensive.

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Posted July 13 2005 - 05:16 AM

I see little difference between then and now.

I do, the shorter timeline between upgrades and people getting tired of upgrading and spending extra cash.

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#48 of 1684 OFFLINE   Robert Crawford

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Posted July 13 2005 - 12:37 PM

RobertR, now please stop addressing me as I have absolutely no interest in joining you in a mud slinging contest.

If you continue, I will have no other choice but to put you on ignore. Frankly, I would rather not have to do that as I appreciate hearing everyone’s POV, even yours.

Both of you guys need to quit this back and forth exchanges and give the rest of us a break from it. If you can't discuss this issue and remain civil then either utilize the "Ignore" function or move on. Thank you.





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#49 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 10 2005 - 05:44 AM

With this latest news about HDMI-only
compatability, I know already that I won't
be upgrading to the HD-DVD format.

Question....

What would you guys think about starting
a campaign across the Internet for boycotting
both formats altogether?

This whole concept behind the rollout of these
two competing formats has gotten absolutely
ludicrious. Not only have studios been split
down the middle in support whereas people will
have to buy TWO SEPARATE PLAYERS, but now we
come to find that those of us with older HDTV
sets are not compatable with one of the formats.

Generally, I am against starting boycott campaigns
as they rarely work.

However...

If we pushed the other Internet websites to join
us in promoting a Boycott Campaign would
you guys be supportive of it?

If we do this, you guys will have to support
the cause and NOT purchase into either of the
two formats. Period.

This CAN work because the people that
will be buying into the formats are those who
frequent forums like this. WE are the early
adopters who can make or break these formats.

Before we attempt to do this, I just want to
get an idea if you guys are interested in helping
and perhaps some suggestions on best how to do it.

 

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#50 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 10 2005 - 11:04 AM

Attention

I think something big is going to start right here.

I just got off the phone with Bill Hunt of
The Digital Bits

The HD format wars have been discussed in great
detail on The Digital Bits website. Bill Hunt has
been a huge advocate in trying to unify both formats.

I told Bill what was happening here on Home Theater
Forum and he became very excited about what he heard.

The plan is simple....

We are going to seek to bring as many DVD and
Home Theater websites together as we can to promote
a message to consumers that NOBODY should be buying
into the new HD formats until they are unified.

We will draw up a statement that gives an overview
of exactly how this format war will negatively
impact the industry and the consumer. We will then
tout the fact that the only way to make a positive
change towards a unified format is for consumers not
to support either HD-DVD or Blu-ray Disc formats.

Once we begin to bring more websites on board we
will begin spreading the word. We plan to alert our
media contacts about our cause, and it is our hope
that in the next coming months "the voice of the
Internet" will be making headlines.

It's very important that our members support this
cause. We are confident that by abstaining to
support either format, both camps will be forced
to rethink their strategy. We are the early adopters
that the manufacturers and studios are banking on
to fuel sales and word-of-mouth. We plan to disappoint.

The DVD format grew and prospered out of forums
and websites like HTF and THE DIGITAL BITS. We
will not allow the same to happen to the upcoming
dueling HD formats.

More news to come....

 

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#51 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 10 2005 - 10:36 PM

Appreciate your show of support thus far.

There's one particular post I have to make
light of....

Quote:
Or we'll be banned?

That comment was ludicrious and unnecessary.

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I refuse to support a boycott of an
entire new kind of product market simply because ONE of the competitors in said market is making an inferior product.

That's fine. We don't expect everyone will
join the cause.

Realize however, this isn't just about inferior
product. By initiating a boycott of purchasing
either product we further push both companies to
realizing that there must be one unified format.

Does anyone here see any sanity in having to
purchase two HD players in order to be able to
take advantage of releases from all the studios?

Isn't everyone getting a little tired of the
greed out of these companies to dominate a
format, giving no consideration towards the
consumer?

Are there really many of you out there willing
to invest in two separate formats rather than
fighting with your wallets to push these companies
to rethink their strategies?

Anyone who thinks that we can't make a difference
this time out is WRONG. You guys are the early
adopters. All of us are die-hard consumers. We
can make or break these new formats, and you are
kidding yourselves if you don't think that you
can make a difference.

As far as exactly what our cause will
be remains to be determined. This is why we
are asking your opinions. By the end of the
week I am hoping we can have some sort of mission
statement (perhaps written by Bill Hunt) drawn up
and that we will have several websites aboard with
us. At that point we'll contact our media resources
to cover what we are doing here.

 

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#52 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 11 2005 - 12:36 AM

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As for this "boycott", how many are we here... Can we honestly affect and force both companies to create a unified format???

Absolutely!

Fact: The original DIVX format was killed
mostly because of Internet forums like this.
Through word-of-mouth readers were urged not
to buy into the format. They didn't!

Fact: The DVD format grew and prospered
through Internet discussion forums. The early
adopters were mostly all individuals who were
sold on praises they read across the Internet.

Fact: After releasing Willy Wonka and the
Chocolate Factory
in Full Frame only, an
uproar across Internet discusion forums forced
Warner Brothers to finally release a widescreen
version.

The plan here is to unite several major websites
and discussion forums together to alert consumers
of the pending disaster these two competing formats
are going to cause.

We are VERY confident we can bring many websites
into this fold and through additional media coverage
we can make enough noise that people are going to
take notice.

The reason I am very confident that THIS boycott
can make a difference is because it's obvious that
nobody is interested in what either of these two
companies have to offer as long at they stand
on separate turf.

 

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#53 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 11 2005 - 05:48 AM

Guys,

The ball is rolling.

We are having a draft of our "Mission
Statement" being written this week.

I expect within the next few weeks we
will have at least a half dozen or more
websites promoting this cause.

If anyone wants to submit to me a list
of websites you feel we should contact to
support this effort, please email me at the
signature link address below. Please include
website OWNER email addresses if you have
that available to make our contacting job simpler.

Be sure to put HD Boycott Support
in the subject line so my spam filter doesn't
eat your message.

 

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#54 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 11 2005 - 08:13 AM

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I am a little put out by some of the sniping toward other members that's going on in this thread.

Agreed. It will stop. This is getting
us nowhere -- and we need to get somewhere
with this campaign.


Quote:
I don't see any prominent mention of this on the HTF home page.


Let's wait till we have a mission statement.


Quote:
There have been many of us that have been vocal about using our support for blu-ray, and not a total boycott.

Don't worry. There was a plan to post a poll later
this afternoon. Haven't gotten to that point yet.
Also, there's another matter in all this that I am
currently looking into that may also need to be
included in our poll. Because of this, it may take
another day until I can properly set it up.

My only fear about throwing all our support to
Blu-Ray would be the chance that HD-DVD drops their
HDMI-compatability plans and we STILL have two
competing formats. It's like we got SOMETHING out
of the Blu-Ray support but we still have two separate
formats and a division amongst studios.

My hope is that by announcing a boycott, both
camps will come back to the table again and try
to unify both formats.

Whether you guys feel this is a good idea or not,
this campaign is going to be won or lost by the
support of the public. Let them be the judges.

 

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#55 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 11 2005 - 10:02 AM

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I took the time to answer the questions you posted, would be so kind as to reply to mine?

Nils,

Stay calm.

I am getting lots of emails on this and a lot
of opinions.

I haven't even posted a poll yet due to the fact
there is another factor involving the studios that
I need to take the time to hear about.

My opinions on what we should do here are not by
any means concrete. I'm throwing out my ideas and
I am asking members such as yourself to throw
out yours.

I hear what many of you are saying and I certainly
understand it may be critical to throw our support
towards Blu-Ray. I am not throwing away that option.

In fact, Christopher has a very interesting proposal
a couple posts up. ^^^^^

This is going to take a few weeks to organize
and there is still one more side of the story
that has yet to be heard.

Please continue to voice your concerns.

 

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#56 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 12 2005 - 06:40 AM

ATTENTION

Back agin....

I want to slightly shift the focus of this
planned boycott campaign towards the studios
themselves.

I need all of you to read this article from our
friend Dan Ramer over at DVDFILE.COM

It's important that you understand that these
players that are due out will possibly include
AACS and SPDC coding that would
allow the studios to shut down titles that you
own as well as the DVD player itself.

This is pretty serious stuff here, folks, and
I would implore you to read the story I have
linked above.

What we are going to do alongside our upcoming
Mission Statement is to initiate a massive snail-mail
letter writing campaign to all the studios requesting
that *full-resolution analog component video
outputs be included on upcoming HD-DVD/Blu-ray
Disc players and that that image constraint (the
reduction of image resolution triggered by a flag
in the digital bit stream) not be imposed.


Whether we will ask for support of a boycott
against BOTH formats or throw support to Blu-Ray
is something that will take some time to talk about
amongst ourselves. We hope to poll our members over
the next few days concerning this matter.

I think after everyone reads the linked article
above you will agree that we have a huge mess on
our hands here and that some sort of action is
necessary.


*With thanks to Dan Ramer and DVDFILE

 

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#57 of 1684 OFFLINE   Ronald Epstein

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Posted July 12 2005 - 10:35 AM

Robert,

Whatever will be written will be written well.

...and it won't be written by me (Thank God)!

It's important to remember that NOTHING is
concrete yet.

I am throwing you the present situation from
ALL sides. We need to sort out the truths, the
half-truths, and the plain paranoia.

At this point, I don't know exactly what the
truth is and where the blame lies.

I would think a MISSION STATEMENT would cover
ALL your concerns by spelling out ALL the things
we see as a deterrant to purchasing either format.

You may or may not believe any of the points
brought up by Dan Ramer in his article, but why
not address the issue in our Mission Statement
nonetheless?

I'm waiting for Bill Hunt of The Digital Bits
to come back from Comic-Con. Bill has been a major
advocate for unifying the formats and I want to
hear his opinion in all this. That will take at
least a week.

I'm also still listening to what you guys think
of all this -- but for God's sake, keep your heads
cool and stop head-butting with each other.

Thank You.

 

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Posted July 11 2005 - 09:02 AM

Anyone heard from the guys over at Widescreen Review ? They've always been heavily behind the early adopters with regard to keeping full resolution analog outputs on HD sources.

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Posted July 12 2005 - 05:28 AM

Count me in for a boycott as well. I too am happy with my current LD collection and SD-DVD PQ, but while I enjoy both formats, there is a huge difference between saying that something is "good enough" and that something is "good, but could be improved on".... As in ye' days of old (read: divx), I will take a stand alongside all of you in defending truth, justice, and the right to HD for all (ok, that might have been pouring it on a little thick....Posted Image ).
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Posted July 10 2005 - 09:51 AM

When I bought my Toshiba HDTV in August 2001 I knew there would probably be a day when I would need to upgrade solely because the set only had component inputs. I'm really disappointed, however, that a business - and not technical - decision by Toshiba and their allies is bringing that day nearer. And yes, it's enough to make me want to boycott HD-DVD.

My one concern with this whole boycott everybody idea is that I'm not sure Blu-Ray is in the wrong. I'm sure HD-DVD thinks they're better, but as a consumer I've already made the theoretcial decision that I'm a believer in Blu-Ray. So, am I supposed to be mad at Blu-Ray because they refuse to waterdown their product as part of a compromise with the technologically inferior HD-DVD folks? Why do I punish Sony for wanting to bring me a superior product?

So far, I'm glad Sony is sticking by their guns. If Blu-Ray and HD-DVD meet in the middle, I'm getting a lesser product. So I'm not ready to boycott Blu-Ray. That may change if it won't work with my current component inputs.

I don't want to get into any drawn out arguments about technical specifications and the like. I've made the early decision to eventually go with Blu-Ray and I'm going to give them a chance to at least develop a product. HD-DVD appears to be blowing their chance.


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