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Supposed to fly from NYC to San Fran tomorrow AM -- I'm really really scared.


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#1 of 36 OFFLINE   Mawiyah

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Posted December 21 2003 - 02:53 PM

So I think the title of this thread is pretty self explanatory. I'm just curious as to any thoughts people might have. I've considered cancelling my trip -- I'd be going to spend the holidays with my family. My return ticket is for Saturday the 28th. Am I being ridiculous? What would you do in my position? Please note, I do not want to turn this into a political or religious discussion. It is simply a duscussion about me being terrified to get on this plane tomorrow. I apologize in advance if this post goes against the forum rules (I've read them carefully and don't think it does, but...). To the moderators, please feel free to delete the post if it does.

#2 of 36 OFFLINE   Jean Luc

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Posted December 21 2003 - 03:07 PM

It'll be alright. In the past year, I have flown commercial allover Turkey, and then from Turkey to San francisco (we just moved from there). I understand being nervous, it's a part of life, but you have to realize that the chances of anything happening are just as low as you winning the lottery. The anticipation always sucks. once you get on that plane you'll be fine. Enjoy your trip!! JL

#3 of 36 OFFLINE   Alf S

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Posted December 21 2003 - 03:19 PM

If you let the fear eat you up like that, then you're letting "them" win.

Be strong and get on the plane and HAVE A FUN HOLIDAY!!

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#4 of 36 OFFLINE   Jason_Els

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Posted December 21 2003 - 03:19 PM

No, not ridiculous at all. Everyone has some anxiety about flying these days and all the security procedures and reminders of 9/11 (particularly in NYC) only serve to heighten the feeling. It's normal to be anxious about it. If it's any consolation browse through the stories about passengers doing crazy things since 9/11 and look at what happened to them. Passengers won't stand for anything to happen on a plane any longer. Anyone threatening a flight will be in serious trouble. Keep in mind also that bi-coastal flights are the ones air marshals are on. They are armed and anonymous. And hey, you'll be in with a plane full of New Yorkers. Anyone tries anything and even the singing nuns will go El Kabong.
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#5 of 36 OFFLINE   Philip_G

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Posted December 21 2003 - 04:12 PM

You didn't really specify WHY you're afraid, is it just plain fear of flying? or is it more fear of an act of terror? Really either way, you should be afraid of the drive to the airport around NYC more than the flight Posted Image


second the armed air marshall (2 of them, actually) on the flight. They're out and about a lot more than you think. Though I don't know how anonymous they are.

#6 of 36 OFFLINE   Mawiyah

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Posted December 21 2003 - 05:02 PM

phillip_g, it's the terrorists i'm scared of... i was scared before they raised the alert up to orange; then when they raised it to orange, i was just overcome with fear. anyway,thanks everyone -- you've definitely made me feel better. i didn't know about the air marshals -- that's probably the most comforting. happy holidays...

#7 of 36 OFFLINE   Jeff Adkins

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Posted December 21 2003 - 05:21 PM

I've flown hundreds of times and I can say that I understand you're fear but you have to take into consideration the number of flights that have taken off and landed in this country since 9/11. I don't have the stats, but it's gotta be hundreds of thousands. Think of the hundreds of thousands of flights that have been fine. OT, the only time I was the slightest bit frightened flying recently was on Aeroflot from Moscow to Prague. I was leery of Aeroflot after their horrible safety record in the past. The flight was just like any flight I've flown anywhere else, and my fear was really just a fear of the unknown. Jeff

#8 of 36 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted December 21 2003 - 06:50 PM

Mawiyah: Hope you don't let the fear stop you - that's kinda the point of terrorism, to make us afraid to live our lives. No life can ever be lived entirely free from danger - and as some have already said statistically you're more likely to get into trouble in the car on the way to the airport. You shouldn't ignore the elevated threat warnings, but you also shouldn't invest them with more meaning than they have. The government is in a no-win situation. They pick up an increase in the amount of "chatter" and some vague indications - from reliable sources - that somebody may be planning to do something. There's nothing more specific because these groups are very hard to penetrate, and we only pick up info from people on the margins who aren't given specifics. What does the government do? If it sits on the information, tells no one, and then something happens, it will rightly be condemned once it is learned that there were these vague warnings ahead of time. If it tries to alert only law enforcement and security people - well, that won't work. Somebody is going to leak the story to the press, and then the government is accused of trying to conceal a threat and thwart the peoples' right to know. If it announces a possible threat and raises the level from yellow to orange it is accused of needlessly panicking the citizens and it causes folks like you anxiety. But consider this: An inevitable consequence of going two years without a repeat of 9/11 is that people become complacent. Security people fall into routines, ordinary citizens lose the hyper-alert edge they had at this time in 2001 and become preoccupied with their own small doings and problems. When there is increased chatter and a chance that someone may be close to doing something our best chance of thwarting a terrorist action is for law enforcement and private security to be warned (and that is mostly who these level changes are directed at, because police departments and corporate security department have different scheduling, manpower and other procedures depending on the threat level.) This warning has to be public, and that also has the effect of letting citizens know that yes, they should expect even longer delays at the airport and yes, that on this trip, unlike the one last week, they might want to be extra aware of their surroundings, their fellow passengers, etc. It was thanks to such heightened awareness that passengers and crew were able to thwart the would-be shoe bomber on that flight from Paris to the U.S. Pre 9/11 people may not even have noticed him doing anything strange, and if they had they might not have recognized it for the danger it was before it was too late. If anything you're probably a bit safer in the air now than you would have been yesterday. I hope you go, enjoy your trip, and return home safely. And I hope we all have a safe and happy holiday season, and a safe and happy 2004. Regards, Joe

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Posted December 21 2003 - 08:47 PM



*I* wouldn't even fly aeroflot Posted Image

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Posted December 21 2003 - 10:52 PM

---Huge Amtrak Fan Speaking--

You could take Amtrak instead Posted Image

It would only take....hmmmm...... about 3 1/2 days each way.
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Posted December 21 2003 - 11:21 PM

I'd go. That's what I'm doing -- I fly out tonight to visit family. Color me naive, but I'm more afraid of losing my luggage or being late than being involved in a terrorist attack. I'm more concerned about being involved in a car accident doing Christmas shopping than having my plane hijacked.

#12 of 36 OFFLINE   Josh Lowe

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Posted December 22 2003 - 12:54 AM

there is nothing to be afraid of.

#13 of 36 OFFLINE   Joseph DeMartino

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Posted December 22 2003 - 01:10 AM



Well, let's not get carried away. There are many things to be afraid of - including the off-chance that an undetected Dinosaur-killer asteroid is going to hit us and wipe out 90% of life on Earth. But the odds are it won't, just as the odds are that none of us will ever be injured or killed by a terrorist attack in our lifetimes. (The odds of our being hit by lightning or winning the lottery are way higher.)

So you have to put dangers and risks in perspective - but we shouldn't deny them either. The fact that I wouldn't hestitate to board an airplane this week does not mean I'm going to play chicken with an Amtrak train at the railroad crossing on the way to the airport. "There's nothing to be afraid of" suggests that we just ignore the warnings and pretend everything is all right, which is silly. By all means let us live - as somebody said immediately after 9/11 - bravely and refuse to let fear rule our lives. But let us also keep our eyes open. As somebody else said - "Let's be careful out there." Posted Image

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#14 of 36 OFFLINE   Michael Reuben

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Posted December 22 2003 - 01:40 AM

I don't know if this will help or hurt, but New York City (where you're flying from) has never been off orange alert in the 2+ years since 9/11. So at least at your point of origin, nothing much has changed with this latest announcement. M.
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Posted December 22 2003 - 07:34 AM

joseph - i should have said 'there is no more or less to be afraid of regarding flying right now than any other time.' the chances of being in a plane crash are extremely remote. the odds of dying in a car crash are far more likely, yet we get in the car without a second thought. the chances of being a plane that's hijacked? got to be even lower than the chance of being in a crash by quite a bit. so why worry about things like that? that's like worrying about what you're going to do with all that money if you play the lottery.
Don't take this the wrong way, Mawiyah, but this says to me that you have some personal issues regarding panic and fear that you should talk to someone about who can help you cope. You're probably missing out on a lot of things because of your fears.

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Posted December 22 2003 - 08:47 AM



yeah, i know -- i see a therapist regularly... don't worry, i didn't take it the wrong way. Posted Image

buy the way, i am writing this post from palo alto, california. i'm feeling very proud of myself and am so glad that i decided to come. thanks to all of you!!


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Posted December 22 2003 - 09:12 AM

You shouldn't be as concerned with the flight as you should be with earthquakes:
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Posted December 22 2003 - 09:22 AM

At least we have power now! We were blacked out all weekend with a fire at a substation. Boy does that suck. Follow these little steps and everything will be alright. 1 Go to airport 2 go through "strip search" 3 Find 1st bar and say "1 large Beer please" 4 When they ask "would you like a shot with that for $1?" 5 Say "Sure!!!!!" 6 Get on plane and order 2 Scotch on the rocks 7 Sleep 8 Wake up at SFO Always works for me
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Posted December 22 2003 - 09:34 AM

Grant, They recommend that you don't get drunk (or take pills) to relax on a flight. If (God forbid) there were an emergency, you want to be as sober as possible and have your wits about you. You don't want to be passed out in your seat and have a fire break out.

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Posted December 22 2003 - 10:33 AM

Would you bring an umbrella if the weather man said there was less than %1 chance of rain? Say you were forced to bet your life on a game of roulette. The casino said for the past two years the ball has fallen on black. Would you place your bet on red? If no then why would you assume your plane is gonna be targeted by terrorists? Can't live your life expecting the worse. You gotta play the percentages.
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