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Originally Posted by Steve Tannehill /t/325143/alfred-hitchcock-the-masterpiece-collection-limited-edition-blu-ray-review-recommended#post_4005332
I received my UK limited edition set today. The first movie I spun was Family Plot. I thought it looked pretty good.
I was able to see the Marnie blu-ray and I disagree, One of the complaints was about the video noise. Look at the opening credits and compare them to the closing credits. Big difference. What you see on the opening credits is visible throughout most of the film. It IS something to complain about.Mark-P said:I
Next I looked at "Marnie." Now I get what the complaints are about for this one. It's got a lot of soft-focus, diffused photography which gives the impression that this is not HD, but a lot of knowledgable people have stated that this is the way Hitchcock shot the movie, so what is there to really complain about?
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The problems with the Family Plot transfer have nothing to do with rear projection shots. Those shots are what they are and should not be considered a transfer problem anyway.Craig S said:Ditto on Family Plot. I mean, it's not a reference transfer by any means, and there are several problematic shots (especially rear-projection). But overall it's a long way from what I would call unwatchable. Now, to level set, I don't have the trained eyes of our friends here in the industry, and my room-dictated setup (sitting 12 feet from a 60 inch screen) helps hide a lot of transfer flaws. I have no doubt the problems others are seeing are there. Just saying those of you with less-than-ideal HT setups may find this OK for non-critical viewing.
Again, understood. The disc clearly has problems. I support any efforts to get it fixed. All I'm saying is that at my viewing distance (much farther out that the 1.5-1.6 screen-width distance which is often cited as optimal) these problems are not visible most of the time.Scott Calvert said:The problem is the wacked-out, almost pixellated look of the entire film, that at times appraoches something like bad youtube compression. It is the worst transfer in the set hands down.
People need to understand that the complaints about Marnie and Family Plot have nothing to do with photography. It's a problem with bits and bytes.
I don't either. Looks to me like Universal put on a bit too much DNR during the rear projection shots. Scenes that don't have opticals seem to be less affected. Either way, while it is not "pristine" by any means, it's not anywhere close to the all-out disaster some proclaimed it to be on various message boards. But this also won't be the first time people went berserk over something, blowing it out of proportion!Steve Tannehill said:I don't see the pixilated "youtube compression" look in Family Plot.
It is quite possibly the worst BD in my (sizeable) collection. I don't think it's hyperbole to say that. And that's coming from someone who thinks the pre-60's films look great for the most part, even TMWKTM which has been savaged on these boards.Chas in CT said:Looked at some of this one yesterday. On my 50" plasma the pixellating (whatever the correct word and its spelling) in Barbara Harris's face in the opening scene is outrageous. YouTube indeed. Chapter-stopping my way through further, some scenes would look pretty normal and acceptable for a few moments (probably the brightest, most evenly lit outdoor ones), then there'd be a shot of Bruce Dern standing back a little in the scene, that looked like he had cockroaches crawling all over his face. Shocking quality standards.
Okay I took a second look, and what I see is erratic grain that varies from shot to shot. On my Panasonic projector it's much less noticeable and looks like natural film grain but on my Panasonic plasma screen it really stands out. I really don't get all that worked up over grain. Sure a ground-up restoration could have reduced and evened out the grain, but I'm happy with it as is.WadeM said:I was able to see the Marnie blu-ray and I disagree, One of the complaints was about the video noise. Look at the opening credits and compare them to the closing credits. Big difference. What you see on the opening credits is visible throughout most of the film. It IS something to complain about.
Frankly, I think it should be recalled.
Hi Craig.Craig S said:Again, understood. The disc clearly has problems. I support any efforts to get it fixed. All I'm saying is that at my viewing distance (much farther out that the 1.5-1.6 screen-width distance which is often cited as optimal) these problems are not visible most of the time.
I don't have a problem with grain. This doesn't look like grain to me.Mark-P said:Okay I took a second look, and what I see is erratic grain that varies from shot to shot. On my Panasonic projector it's much less noticeable and looks like natural film grain but on my Panasonic plasma screen it really stands out. I really don't get all that worked up over grain. Sure a ground-up restoration could have reduced and evened out the grain, but I'm happy with it as is.
It might have started out as film grain but whatever transfer methods and processing they applied has turned it into an electronic mess that is something else entirely.WadeM said:I don't have a problem with grain. This doesn't look like grain to me.