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Song of The South Disney Web Page & discussion on why this film needs to be released

Discussion in 'Archived Threads 2001-2004' started by Harry E, Dec 28, 2001.

  1. Harry E

    Harry E Member

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  2. Mark Walker

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    Thanks for the link!
    Yep, I sent them a message
    (which the javascript link in located
    on the left side of that window that opens up).
    I just said that they could release it on DVD
    with the appropriate introduction, commenting
    on the controversy surrounding the title,
    and how they still want to present it uncensored
    as long as we take into consideration the context
    in which the film was made.
    Leonard Maltin did something similar in an
    introduction to The Three Little Pigs
    for the Walt Disney Treasure collection.
    -Mark
     
  3. Justin Lane

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    Nice find. All fans of this film should take a minute and fill out the request form asking for this title on DVD. I made a note in my message saying this would be a perfect release for Disney Treasures.

    J
     
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    I added the comment that I would want it UNEDITED. there is a link on the left hand side to request it on VHS or DVD.
     
  5. Patrick McCart

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    Disney (or perhaps Anchor Bay or Criterion) may release it in 2002 or 2003.

    I read an American Cinematographer article saying that Scott MacQueen is working on or has finished a restoration of the film.

    Criterion has expressed interest in releasing animated titles...so, this would be a nice start.

    I would buy this film even if it cost me 40 dollars.

    (A censored version of this film would be roughly 30 seconds long. It is not offensive, but there's some stuff that "Joe Six Pack Who's offended by everything" will think is offensive. There's some very educated threads on what seems to be offensive but really isn't if you search on this board. It's tamer than Gone With The Wind, IMO.)
     
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    it seems like, in this video world that stating the obvious is the wise thing to do...so i put in my bid for this title.
     
  7. Keith Paynter

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    Done!

    And this is what I had to say...

     
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    Done as well. Among other comments I summerized with

    "Take a stand for Walt's good heart rather than being backed down by small minded people."

    I really hope they think about that. While the film may reflect a period in which racial attitudes were not as thoughtful, it doesn't reflect any malicious intent by Walt and Co.
     
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    To paraphrase Bill and Ted "Excellent!"
    They have my vote, and I am going to do my best to spread the word, as I am sure all HT enthusiasts will do!
     
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    Thanks for the link, sent them a message.
     
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    I used the link to send Disney a note suggesting that they give it the deluxe treatment, provide an introduction by a well-respected individual like Colin Powell, and market it as a classic "to complete your Disney collection". But then, I also said it was "Zip-A-Dee-Doh-Dah-riffic!" [​IMG]
    Then I sent two personal friends interested in this on home video a note asking them to vote.
    Then, since noone else indicated it was done, I sent another note to Digital Bits, DVD File, DVD Review, DVD Journal, The Guide to Disney Masterpieces Page, and even Moriarty at AICN (I don't read there anymore, but my wife does on occassion) to let them all know that this input was being asked for. Maybe they can all spread the word so that Disney will get the message pronto!!
     
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    Just the fact that they're asking for such feedback is very promising. Let's hope they get deluged.
     
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    I realize that a lot of people may not agree with what I've written, but the following is what I wrote to Disney at the site:
    Hi. I am a DVD enthusiast and I absolutely love the format...not only for the excellent quality but the format holds up much better and longer than VHS ever will.
    I would love to see Song of the South on DVD, but I would like to see it unedited and uncensored. As a parent I especially understand the concern about showing racist or stereotyped attitudes that prevailed in older cartoons; it is embarrassing to have to explain how wrong attitudes were, especially since some cartoons might seem to be validating and promoting detrimental viewpoints on certain peoples. A solution to this might be to release the movies with two different packages, two different marketing approaches.
    Under the Buena Vista Home Entertainment label, the movie could be released somewhat censored, with adequate disclaimers on the packaging explaining that this is a censored movie aimed at younger audiences. The other release could obviously be aimed at the Home Theater enthusiast such as myself, with extras that might include (for example) an academic approach to the problems and attitudes in period cartoons and films that may offend people of today. A company such as the Criterion Collection would do a marvelous job supplementing "questionable" films with this approach, and Disney Entertainment would still gain to turn a profit.
    I see that there is nothing to gain by only releasing censored versions of Disney Classics. The past cannot be changed or glorified, but it should not be forgotten or ignored. There is educational value for us all in seeing the past as it was, as long as it is in the proper context.
    Thanks for listening.

    I got wordy, and my time to think and compose was running out, but I did the best I could. I, for one, would probably buy both versions and let my kids see the other one when they're ready. Comments?
     
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    I just did my part! [​IMG]
    I'm making sure this gets to all sites on the web.[​IMG]
     
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    I too have done my part and cast my vote. I hope it works and Disney finally breaks down and releases it. I'm astounded at the hundreds of dollars that Japanese laserdisc commands on eBay.

    I haven't seen the movie since it was last re-released theatrically in the early '80's, and while my memory of it is a admittedly bit hazy, I can't remember anything in it that would be considered "racist". Could someone enlighten me on this? If it was the character of Uncle Remus, I saw him more as a kindly old gentlemen who loved to weave tall tales to children, not a "stereotype".
     
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    I cast my vote, persuaded two cyber-acquaintances to do the same, added the link to my Web site, and started a thread on another Forum. I've done my part. [​IMG]
    RD
     
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    The Three Little Pigs originally had a throwaway gag with the wolf dressed up as a Jewish peddler. (Warner Bros. spoofed this aspect in their 1943 "Pigs in a Polka" This time, the wolf impersonated a Hungarian.)

    After World War II, Walt Disney felt that the scene was in bad taste, so he had it re-animated (and overdubbed the thick accent) with no stereotype. It's not really censorship, but more like a "producer's cut."

    He also trimmed some animal cruelty from Steamboat Willie showing Mickey Mouse playing a pig as if it was an accordian (using the teats as buttons) because of code regulations. (The cartoon was made before the Hays office came into being.)
     

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