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shows that have been destroyed

Discussion in 'TV on DVD and Blu-ray' started by jimmyjet, May 12, 2013.

  1. John Karras

    John Karras Well-Known Member

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    Virtually the entire run of Ed Sullivan exists and has been well preserved. CBS considered the Sullivan show to be their "jewel in the crown", and were very diligent about archiving the kinescopes and 2" masters. The premiere episode is unfortunately gone.
     
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    That's another thing I'd like to mention:

    On The Beatles Anthology, there's a clip from a 1967 episode, with Sullivan introducing the group's Hello, Goodbye video. It was from a B&W kinescope. But at the same time, there is also another copy of this episode floating around among collectors, from its original color videotape form.

    What's up with that?
     
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    Nothing more than a guess but I'd say that the show was recorded in color but it was broadcast in black and white.
     
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    Couldn't have been. The series began color broadcasts in 1965, and continued to be shown that way until cancellation in 1971.
     
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    Maybe the monitor they shot the kinescope from was black and white?
     
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    Very likely that a b/w kinescope were elements that were on hand and significantly easier (and less costly to license) than having Sullivan's production company transfer and supply the clip from their master archives. It's a little like Timeless Media's releases of Universal properties, where Timeless licenses the content, but has to round up their own elements.
     
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    You can't always rely on Wikipedia for accurate information.
     
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    As far as "Beulah" goes: if you check various television and industry reference books, there are endless conflicts about true history of the show's broadcast history.
     
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    Now, who can release a complete series dvd collection of Beulah? Timeless?
     
  10. Lord Dalek

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    As far as I know, all of the syndicated shows Ralph Edwards made exist. Its just that GSN could never come to terms with his estate (and even then, music clearances pretty much make any rerun of Name That Tune impossible).

    I think only a smattering of NBC shows exist though.
     
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    You want the good news or the bad first? Okay, the good is that UCLA has a full run of the show. The bad is that 1) Timeless isn't really into comedies. I think they may have released one comedy. 2) UCLA charges a lot for access. More than anyone could ever recoup in sales for such a project. Cost prohibitive.
     
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    I think a lot of the Jack Benny release may have come from UCLA. Perhaps the involvement of Benny's estate made a difference?
     
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    Plus the fact that they were the donors of the material so it would be pretty hard for UCLA to hit them up for massive costs to access their own donated material.
     
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    The video tapes may be lost, but at least we have audio recordings for all of the episodes and telesnaps for a great deal of them. While not a perfect solution, at least we have SOME record of all the early Doctor Whos.
     
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    ^^^ (keep posting!!! lol ) at least I wish they'd animate all of the missing ones, particularly the Toughton ones.
     
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    Yes, there are many more TV shows in far worse state of affairs than Doctor Who. One of the show's contemporaries, Dixon of Dock Green, for example, has only 32 complete episodes existing out of 432 produced, which leaves more than 85% of them still missing.

    There are 106 out of 701 Doctor Whos still missing, so about 85% of those episodes still exist, so it's pretty much exactly the opposite saved/destroyed ratio. However, there are many more rabid Doctor Who fans than Dixon ones.

    Before anyone misunderstands, I like Doctor Who as much as anyone, it just burns my toast when a certain segment of Doctor Who fandom seems to think that only the recovery of Doctor Who episodes is important, and that anything else is useless/irrelevant.

    A handful of black-and-white episodes of Till Death Us Do Part were recovered in recent years, but we're unlikely to ever see them on TV or DVD, while any recovered Doctor Who will be pretty much guaranteed of at least a DVD release.
     
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    I do agree Andy, nothing against Dr.Who but there was masses of other material destroyed of great interest.ITV also junked a huge amount of material, including hundreds of variety shows such as 'Sunday Night at the London Palladium' which featured top acts of the time from both the UK & US.There were also many dramas, one off plays ,comedies & series lost. Things such as 'Shadow Squad' 'Knight Errant' 'No Hiding Place' are almost non-existant. A whole era of TV lost.
     
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    Since the discussion has turned to British shows, what is the know fate of Top of the Pops from the 60s, early 70s? Also, what about Ready Steady Go?
     
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    The 60s Pops are all gone save for a small smattering of episodes, the earliest being from 1967. The archives are fairly intact from about 1974 but there are some missing eps as late as 1977. Really if you're a long running British show and not titled Coronation Street, odds are you're missing episodes.
     

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