JediFonger
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don't have time to go through the entire thing but i am impressed w/ a good chunk of the 1st part =). "most impressive"
I said before but I think it's a waste of time to spend so much of your life agonizing over not liking a movie that came out 10 years ago. If this was 1999, I could understand that it was still a fresh to wound to the man. However, it's been 10 years so it's way past time for him to say "Fuck that movie" and just stop thinking about it. I'm sure all of the people posting in this thread that hate The Phantom Menace have managed to do the same so I find it weird and sad that someone can't do that.Originally Posted by DaveF /img/forum/go_quote.gif
I don't understand how in a forum dedicated to the (fundamentally luxurious) hobby of discussing movies--raving and ranting on them-- people can say that a clever examination of the work of one of the most important filmmakers is a waste of time.
I'd say a lot of it is wishful thinking, as in "I really want these films to be good, and they do have the 'brand name' on them...".Originally Posted by Tony J Case /forum/thread/296068/a-new-amazing-thorough-and-hilarious-critique-of-the-phantom-menace/30#post_3640659
We'll give Phantom Menace a pass for being the first Wars movie in 16 years. Lucas could have filmed a cinderblock with lightsaber sounds dubbed over the top and it would have made millions. but for the sake of argument, lets say that TPM was a hideous story telling failure. Why then did Attack of the Clones go on to make a bazillion dollars?
Or, lets say that TPM and Clones were both absolutely dreadful movies. Fool me once, shame on me, fool me twice etc, etc. Why didn't Sith stall at the box office, making like only 150 bucks for the whole run? Why didn't people learn their lesson if "They" hated 1 and 2? (Extending that thought a little bit further, if Lucas raped their childhoods as badly as they say, then why was Indy 4 reasonably successful at the box office. If everyone was tired of his shenanigans, surely Indy would have totally failed.)
I'm not saying that TPM wasnt a weak movie. It had the feeling of 16 years of directoral rust coming off of the hull for sure, and I could have done with less Wacky Jar-Jar. But compared to a utter shithole of a script like Transformers 2 (or GI Joe) or an incoherantly edited mess like the Borne flicks, TPM looks like freakin' Citizen Kane.
Actually, his comments are quite insightful and intelligent, but since you only watched about a minute of what he had to say, you wouldn't know that.Originally Posted by Brent M /forum/thread/296068/a-new-amazing-thorough-and-hilarious-critique-of-the-phantom-menace/30#post_3640666
I don't hate The Phantom Menace as much as most people do, but even I will admit it is a giant turd compared to The Dark Knight. To say that TDK should undergo the same kind of intense scrutiny as Episode I truly blows my mind. It's not often I'm rendered speechless by comments on this forum, but this one certainly had that effect on me.
Then again, we obviously see things quite differently if you found this moron's obnoxious ramblings "one of the funniest things you've ever seen on the web".
Agreed with this totally. If you didn't make it through the whole thing it's interesting to try these two exercises that the video does very well.Originally Posted by Paul_Scott
There is a bit of truth in that since the first (two) films were amazing pieces of cinema- fantasy or otherwise.
They were supremely well made, going beyond mere production gloss. They were entertaining stories told very well. But that isn't the main gist I was taking away from this.
It seemed to me, the guys point-of-view is that TMP is simply a very bad movie (a weak conceptual story told in an incompetent way), and when he uses specific comparisons to the OT it is only to illustrate more clearly why and how TMP fails at being a quality fantasy film in general.
- but it really is a dreadful piece of work full of mind numbing inconsistencies, contradictions, inane plot development and foolish clutter.
I did not watch the whole clip so I will take you up on this:Originally Posted by Sam Posten /forum/thread/296068/a-new-amazing-thorough-and-hilarious-critique-of-the-phantom-menace/30#post_3640782
I'm kinda shocked this is so polarizing. I'd just like everyone to try to refrain from taking or making any of this too personally. Last thing i want is mods jumping in and shutting this thread down just when it's getting interesting.
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Agreed with this totally. If you didn't make it through the whole thing it's interesting to try these two exercises that the video does very well.
First, describe the following characters without describing merely what they look like:
Han Solo
Darth Vader
Lando Calrissian
Now try to describe the characters of:
Amidala
Anakin
Darth Maul
Darth Sidious
or any other prequel character.
Next, describe to me who the protagonist of Episode 1 is. Why are we invested in that protagonist. What is their story arc?
I didn't need more than a minute to realize that I didn't have a bit of interest in what he had to say....the same way I feel about the majority of your posts, Robert.Originally Posted by RobertR /forum/thread/296068/a-new-amazing-thorough-and-hilarious-critique-of-the-phantom-menace/30#post_3640747
Actually, his comments are quite insightful and intelligent, but since you only watched about a minute of what he had to say, you wouldn't know that.
Totally agree.Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff /forum/thread/296068/a-new-amazing-thorough-and-hilarious-critique-of-the-phantom-menace/30#post_3640807
The list could go on and on. TPM is far from a masterpiece, but TDK is a very fine piece of film making that has no more plot holes or problems than any other film.
I already gave a few 'WTF' lapses, and that was just within the first 10 minutes of the film. The other 130 minutes contain plenty more.Originally Posted by Larry Sutliff
list could go on and on. TPM is far from a masterpiece, but TDK is a very fine piece of film making that has no more plot holes or problems than any other film.
Good stories hold up well to deconstruction. weaker stories require gymnastic rationalizations, and poor stories completely fall apart with the more thought you put into them.Guys, if we're gonna deconstruct every movie, than they all fail.
This was a joke. An obvious, hit you over the head joke(and maybe some people don't find it funny), but still a joke.Are Abe Lincoln and Elvis the best these guys can come up with?
[/QUOTE]Does having the bat signal on the police department roof mean that the city endorses Batman? wouldn't that open the city up to monstrous litigation over property damage and safety when Batman is setting off explosives to 'intimidate' people? How hard is it to run up a cursory profile of someone who has access to highly advanced weaponry?