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A Few Words About A few words about...™ West Side Story -- in Blu-ray

Discussion in 'Blu-ray and UHD' started by Robert Harris, Oct 25, 2011.

  1. Matt Hough

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    I fear with the canceled orders and people waiting to buy for a "corrected" copy that MGM/Fox will use it as an excuse to say that vault musical titles don't sell and they're not going to do any more.
     
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    You have legitimate thought here, but honestly I have replaced and received "corrected" discs on SAVING PRIVATE RYAN and PINOCCHIO among a few others and for the life of me, wonder why they cannot just get it right the first time. I am torn, I ordered it and now canceled it and now on the fence again with placing an order. I just don't know if I want to go through that trouble when it should be right the first time. And I agree with the other posters above, how about "corrected" discs on IT'S A MAD MAD MAD MAD WORLD, SCROOGE and THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD. With those three and now WWS with problems there is no wonder people are tired of it and may be a reason they are not buying. So far the best musical done right on Blu-ray this year that has my vote is THE FIRST NUDIE MUSICA. And yes I did like FIDDLER ON THE ROOF and CHITTY CHITTY BANG BANG, they have my vote also.
     
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    Hopefully they have figures describing the number of preorders before/after this news broke. That would pretty clearly show them how the land lays!
    I didn't preorder, but I was gonna buy this on Day One, and now I'm on the fence...
     
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    Sticking with my pre-orders is the only logical thing for me to do - a bird in the hand etc (I'm a coward!).
    Fox promises a replacement 'down the road', but when that will be is the question. I'm taking them at their word, so hopefully they don't read my and others' willingness to forge ahead to be a sign that we're happy with things as they are.
    The exchange program implemented for Saving Private Ryan and Gladiator worked well, and the WSS BD, for all its flaws, sounds vastly superior to the DVD.
     
  5. ahollis

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    The point for me is that it should be flawless. Guys this is it, this is the last home format before all is streamed. I do not expect another revisit to the title in five or ten years as we had with DVD. I am not aware of an exchange program that Fox has gone through. They corrected the problem with the CLEOPATRA DVD, but did not offer a replacement for it, just fixed the next pressings. I could be wrong, so let me know.

    I just choose to wait until I am sure if they fix the problem are not then decide to either purchase or not. Already in the Blu-ray.com posting, Fox said, "Hey this is what MGM gave us," which is exactly what they said about THE GREATEST STORY EVER TOLD and there was no "fix."
     
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    Fox did indeed offer a replacement dvd for "Cleopatra" -- I know because I got one.
     
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    They have sales figures of Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, Fiddler on the Roof, Hair, and New York, New York that may tell a different story.
     
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    Allen -
    You won't get any argument from me that it should be flawless, and I wouldn't even give a thought to purchasing it if its current condition was on the order of a Spartacus, Out of Africa, Patton or other such plasticized monstrosity.
    Paradoxically, your argument for not getting it now - the last home format before all is streamed - is the principal reason why I want this thing in my grubby little hands, warts and all (though I hope these get cured). The decision whether to purchase it or not is not a factor for me. I want it for its apparent improvements over previous editions. It's not like I can choose between buying this or a perfect one from Columbia or Warner.
    If it turns out to be less than a significant improvement over my 2003 DVD set, I'll just mark it defective and return it to Amazon. If it's an obvious improvement, I'll keep it, hope for the promised fix and also hope that MGM has nothing more in its library that I'll ever want on blu.
     
  9. Matt Hough

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    I didn't say the excuse would be a legitimate one, only that the studio(s) might use that as the reason they weren't making any more efforts with older musicals.
     
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    Thanks. I stand corrected, I must have missed the announcement at the time. Which goes to show that even that even a replacement program is not flawless.
     
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    I certainly understand your thoughts. If it does turn out to be more superior to the DVD, which early reviews have certainly indicated, I will wait a while to see about a fix, and then more than likely get it in my "grubby little hands" too. MGM did such a great job on Fiddler and Chitty and we know what is possible, so for them to not take the care in this classic American film musical is very disappointing. I have always thought the opening overture really puts the viewer in the mood for something special and the fade to black and back, is just disconcerting to me as I seems is to a lot of people.
     
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    An interesting piece...

    http://www.audionamix.com/press/viewer.php?name=Audionamix_FSMO_sept2011.pdf
     
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    Boy, I'm glad I found this discussion. I just preordered the collector's set yesterday and now I'm seriously rethinking. It's so disheartening to think they'd screw up like this.
     
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    Beautifully put, Mr. Harris. Thank you!
     
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    New York, New York would not, I'm afraid, tell a different story. :)
     
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    And I was vilified for wanting the "Det" put back into Det sjunde inseglet...
     
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    I never grow accustomed to how STUNNED I am upon reading about entire musical scores being lost. The individual parts, okay, I could understand studios at one time believing there could never be another use for them...but not to make it a rule to keep a copy of at least the conductor's full score? (Doing so would also make it possible to recreate those individual parts if needed.) Why not toss out all the various scripts, too? Thank God they found the "short score" (second best thing) in the Robert Wise collection. If only they'd make that available online for people passionate about the music to browse and study. The Bernstein folks published the original stage full score, so what a joy it would be to see this orchestration as well.
     
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    United Artists was notorious for not keeping materail around

    Original negative of "Tom Jones"
    All the "It's a Mad Mad Mad Mad World" stuff


    Amoung some of the musical stuff:

    "How to Succed in Business" had a few other musical moments deleted (Coffee Break, A Secretary Is Not a Toy section) so it could premiere at Radio City usic Hall at 2 hours.

    "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang" had a whole section where some children sneak into the Baron's kitchen to steal food (photos of the scene appear in the Random House Book) - another piece of film that's gone

    Zero Motel filmed the song "Free" from "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum" it was never right , Mostel had a difficult time with the lip sync and it was cut - now gone
     
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    While several reels of Tom Jones original neg had gone missing, they have no rejoined their brethren.

    RAH
     
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    You may be correct about that!

    Speaking of New York, have you seen the Harry Belafonte documentary currently airing on HBO? There is a segment about the furor which ensured when Petula Clark touched Harry's arm while they were singing a duet. I believe that you have worked with Pet Clark.
     

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