Screencaps, of course, don't tell us everything, but the grain scrubbing seems pretty obvious here. It lacks the appropriate "velvety" look of 3-strip.
Isn't grain scrubbing going on in all of Warner's 3 strip blu ray's? Look at any of the screen grabs of 1939's The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex - they all look relatively grain free. Those 3 layers of black and white grain are removed pretty much completely. https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Private-Lives-of-Elizabeth-and-Essex-Blu-ray/288922/#ScreenshotsScreencaps, of course, don't tell us everything, but the grain scrubbing seems pretty obvious here. It lacks the appropriate "velvety" look of 3-strip.
No. The image is NOT grain free. The image beautifully mimics the velvety appearance of original dye transfer Technicolor prints, which were very free of grain as it was lost in the imbibition process.Isn't grain scrubbing going on in all of Warner's 3 strip blu ray's? Look at any of the screen grabs of 1939's The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex - they all look relatively grain free. Those 3 layers of black and white grain are removed pretty much completely. https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-Private-Lives-of-Elizabeth-and-Essex-Blu-ray/288922/#Screenshots
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I agree that "Warner is doing superlative work on their three-strips". That's why I used Elizabeth and Essex as an example. It's beautiful. But grain is pretty much gone without affecting the apparent sharpness. It's sharper than the original dye transfer would have been. I'm not criticizing Warners but let's face it the grain is gone on Superman and all of the rest of the 3 strips.No. The image is NOT grain free. The image beautifully mimics the velvety appearance of original dye transfer Technicolor prints, which were very free of grain as it was lost in the imbibition process.
Warner is doing superlative work on their three-strips. The trick for reviewers (or viewers) is knowing what the film originally looked like and what expectations should be.
RAH just stated it’s not grain free, so are you saying that’s not true? Furthermore, what do you want Warner to do with their three strips Technicolor movies?I agree that "Warner is doing superlative work on their three-strips". That's why I used Elizabeth and Essex as an example. It's beautiful. But grain is pretty much gone without affecting the apparent sharpness. It's sharper than the original dye transfer would have been. I'm not criticizing Warners but let's face it the grain is gone on Superman and all of the rest of the 3 strips.
I initially was responding to Stephen_J_H saying "but the grain scrubbing seems pretty obvious here. It lacks the appropriate "velvety" look of 3-strip."RAH just stated it’s not grain free, so are you saying that’s not true? Furthermore, what do you want Warner to do with their three strips Technicolor movies?
The only other way to make three-strip appear more akin to an original print, would be to de-focus the image, lose detail (high frequency information) and raise contrast.RAH just stated it’s not grain free, so are you saying that’s not true? Furthermore, what do you want Warner to do with their three strips Technicolor movies?
I agree. I'm not fighting you on this. I earlier in the other (review) thread said the M. F. Superman on iTunes looks really good (I was surprised after all the negative reviews!). I'm pushing back on those who say Warners botched this release by over-"scrubbing" it.The only other way to make three-strip appear more akin to an original print, would be to de-focus the image, lose detail (high frequency information) and raise contrast.
What they’re doing is fine in my estimation.