ChadLB
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Item used in testing and this is just my input/opinion I am no Expert.
Receivers: Pioneer 811s(Own currently), Pioneer 43Tx, Outlaw 950
Amps: Parasound HCA855a(Own Currently), Sherbourn 5210
Front speakers: Acoustic Research Hi Res 11’s
·The AR11 has an 8" side-firing high excursion woofer, a 1" plasma transferred, diamond hardened Titanium dome tweeter and a 5-1/4" Magalloy Minocqua mid-range.
·All transducers are magnetically shielded.
·Driver Complement Plasma Transferred Diamond Hardened 1" Titanium Dome Tweeter, 8" Side-firing High Excursion Woofer, 5 1/4" MagAlloy Monocoque Mid-Range
·Enclosure Design
·Frequency Response 35Hz-23KHz 2dB
·Sensitivity 91dB @ 2.83 Volts/Meter
·Crossover Frequency 100Hz and 3.2KHz
·Rated System Power See Recommended Amp. Power
·Recommended Amp. Power 20 Watts 200 Watts
·Nominal Impedance 8 Ohms
·Enclosure Dimensions 34" x 8 1/16" x 16"
DVD Player: Toshiba 3950
Hooked up using digital coaxial connection for all testing. No analog testing done. All 2 stereo channel testing.(consisted of Dave Matthews, Norah Jones, Nine Inch Nails, The Eagles, Janes Addiction, U2, The Dixie Chicks, Creed) Mostly doing comparisons by hooking up LFS to Receiver directly and the RFS to Receiver/amp combo when possible.
Pioneer 811s
Sound – Sounds weakdull without using the loudness button.
Look/Feel – Looks like any entry-level receiver….nothing special. Display is readable from a distance.
Remote Control – Well since this is the receiver I own I enjoy the remote as it controls everything I own (Mitsubishi VCR, Toshiba DVD Player, Sanyo PLV-Z1)
Usability – Easy to setup…should be since I have owned it for 2 years.
Connections – Enough connections for me as I don’t use much besides the Pre – outs and Coaxial connection for DVD player.
Tuner – Gets the job done.
Pro: Pre-Outs, Supports SACD/DVD-A, has all the current decoding capabilities that I need
Cons: Sounds dull, lowest crossover point is 100Hz
Pioneer 43Tx
Sound – Straight out of the box it sounded better than my 811s and it should, as I believe it used the Motorola chipset.
Look/Feel – The gloss finish gives it a nice look.
Remote Control – Not too bad…had to get out the manual to figure out how to use some of the buttons. I am sure it would also learn all of my current equipment.
Usability – A little difficult to setup as I tried without using the manual and that didn’t happen…close but not quite.
Connections – More than enough for my setup.
Tuner – Same as the 811s …gets the job done.
Pros: Black Glossy Look, Sounds better than the 811 out of the box, 80Hz crossover, Pre- Outs, Supports SACD/DVD-A, has all the current decoding capabilities that I need
Cons: Harder to setup, Remote was a little difficult to use also.
Outlaw 950
Sound – Sounds great with either amp.
Look/Feel – Well not as ugly as some people claim it to be. The front buttons seem flimsy…almost like they would fall apart if used too much. Display is hard to read as it
Is smaller than the others.
Remote Control – Didn’t really use that much yet. Probably would get the job done for what I would use it for.
Usability – Easy to setup, as I didn’t even look at the manual when I set it up. Just played around with the front panel setup.
Connections – Again more than I need but has what I want: Pre – outs, SACD/DVD-A inputs
Tuner – Gets the job done. Nothing fancy.
Pros: Triple crossover, Easy setup, supports SACD/DVD-A, has all the current decoding capabilities that I need
Cons: Buttons on front are weak almost as if they would fall apart if used too much, Display hard to read from a distance.
Conclusion:
The Pioneer 811s gains the most by adding either amp though I didn’t notice much of a change from the Parasound amp to the Sherbourn. Though I am not sure if the amp was ever turned on. It was on a shelf in one of the showrooms but wasn’t hooked up to anything. Could be my speakers/room setting also that isn’t letting the amp show off its power. Though I know you only gain 3db’s by doubling the power. I would have expected more of a difference but didn’t hear it. Could be my ears….
The Pioneer 43Tx is a nice unit but for me I don’t think it would be a keeper as it is a older Elite unit and I think I would go for the 53Tx model as it has the Auto MCACC with 5 Band equalization as the 43Tx is Manual setup I believe. This unit only gained by adding the sherbourn amp. I would probably compare the 43Tx to the Pioneer 811/Parasound combo. The 43Tx beats the Pioneer 811s side by side and should. Though some might say that it is not a fair comparison. I guess I am not into all those extra features like the advanced surround modes(Action, Sci Fi, Gaming etc). I think my problem is I want to get away from Pioneer and that is Why I have higher interest in the Outlaw.
The Outlaw 950 is plain and simple looking. I still am going to compare it some more to my Pioneer/Parasound combo. I like the easy setup and features it has to offer so far. Again I really didn’t hear much of a difference with this hooked up to the Parasound vs the Sherbourn. I want to compare the Pioneer 811/Parasound against the Outlaw 950/Parasound with some more music/movies to see how much of a difference there really is, as I looked more at the 2-channel music so far.
Ampwise…..I don’t see how in my setup the Sherbourn would be worth the extra $800. This would be by selling the Parasound for say $400 and then forking out $800.
Receivers: Pioneer 811s(Own currently), Pioneer 43Tx, Outlaw 950
Amps: Parasound HCA855a(Own Currently), Sherbourn 5210
Front speakers: Acoustic Research Hi Res 11’s
·The AR11 has an 8" side-firing high excursion woofer, a 1" plasma transferred, diamond hardened Titanium dome tweeter and a 5-1/4" Magalloy Minocqua mid-range.
·All transducers are magnetically shielded.
·Driver Complement Plasma Transferred Diamond Hardened 1" Titanium Dome Tweeter, 8" Side-firing High Excursion Woofer, 5 1/4" MagAlloy Monocoque Mid-Range
·Enclosure Design
·Frequency Response 35Hz-23KHz 2dB
·Sensitivity 91dB @ 2.83 Volts/Meter
·Crossover Frequency 100Hz and 3.2KHz
·Rated System Power See Recommended Amp. Power
·Recommended Amp. Power 20 Watts 200 Watts
·Nominal Impedance 8 Ohms
·Enclosure Dimensions 34" x 8 1/16" x 16"
DVD Player: Toshiba 3950
Hooked up using digital coaxial connection for all testing. No analog testing done. All 2 stereo channel testing.(consisted of Dave Matthews, Norah Jones, Nine Inch Nails, The Eagles, Janes Addiction, U2, The Dixie Chicks, Creed) Mostly doing comparisons by hooking up LFS to Receiver directly and the RFS to Receiver/amp combo when possible.
Pioneer 811s
Sound – Sounds weakdull without using the loudness button.
Look/Feel – Looks like any entry-level receiver….nothing special. Display is readable from a distance.
Remote Control – Well since this is the receiver I own I enjoy the remote as it controls everything I own (Mitsubishi VCR, Toshiba DVD Player, Sanyo PLV-Z1)
Usability – Easy to setup…should be since I have owned it for 2 years.
Connections – Enough connections for me as I don’t use much besides the Pre – outs and Coaxial connection for DVD player.
Tuner – Gets the job done.
Pro: Pre-Outs, Supports SACD/DVD-A, has all the current decoding capabilities that I need
Cons: Sounds dull, lowest crossover point is 100Hz
Pioneer 43Tx
Sound – Straight out of the box it sounded better than my 811s and it should, as I believe it used the Motorola chipset.
Look/Feel – The gloss finish gives it a nice look.
Remote Control – Not too bad…had to get out the manual to figure out how to use some of the buttons. I am sure it would also learn all of my current equipment.
Usability – A little difficult to setup as I tried without using the manual and that didn’t happen…close but not quite.
Connections – More than enough for my setup.
Tuner – Same as the 811s …gets the job done.
Pros: Black Glossy Look, Sounds better than the 811 out of the box, 80Hz crossover, Pre- Outs, Supports SACD/DVD-A, has all the current decoding capabilities that I need
Cons: Harder to setup, Remote was a little difficult to use also.
Outlaw 950
Sound – Sounds great with either amp.
Look/Feel – Well not as ugly as some people claim it to be. The front buttons seem flimsy…almost like they would fall apart if used too much. Display is hard to read as it
Is smaller than the others.
Remote Control – Didn’t really use that much yet. Probably would get the job done for what I would use it for.
Usability – Easy to setup, as I didn’t even look at the manual when I set it up. Just played around with the front panel setup.
Connections – Again more than I need but has what I want: Pre – outs, SACD/DVD-A inputs
Tuner – Gets the job done. Nothing fancy.
Pros: Triple crossover, Easy setup, supports SACD/DVD-A, has all the current decoding capabilities that I need
Cons: Buttons on front are weak almost as if they would fall apart if used too much, Display hard to read from a distance.
Conclusion:
The Pioneer 811s gains the most by adding either amp though I didn’t notice much of a change from the Parasound amp to the Sherbourn. Though I am not sure if the amp was ever turned on. It was on a shelf in one of the showrooms but wasn’t hooked up to anything. Could be my speakers/room setting also that isn’t letting the amp show off its power. Though I know you only gain 3db’s by doubling the power. I would have expected more of a difference but didn’t hear it. Could be my ears….
The Pioneer 43Tx is a nice unit but for me I don’t think it would be a keeper as it is a older Elite unit and I think I would go for the 53Tx model as it has the Auto MCACC with 5 Band equalization as the 43Tx is Manual setup I believe. This unit only gained by adding the sherbourn amp. I would probably compare the 43Tx to the Pioneer 811/Parasound combo. The 43Tx beats the Pioneer 811s side by side and should. Though some might say that it is not a fair comparison. I guess I am not into all those extra features like the advanced surround modes(Action, Sci Fi, Gaming etc). I think my problem is I want to get away from Pioneer and that is Why I have higher interest in the Outlaw.
The Outlaw 950 is plain and simple looking. I still am going to compare it some more to my Pioneer/Parasound combo. I like the easy setup and features it has to offer so far. Again I really didn’t hear much of a difference with this hooked up to the Parasound vs the Sherbourn. I want to compare the Pioneer 811/Parasound against the Outlaw 950/Parasound with some more music/movies to see how much of a difference there really is, as I looked more at the 2-channel music so far.
Ampwise…..I don’t see how in my setup the Sherbourn would be worth the extra $800. This would be by selling the Parasound for say $400 and then forking out $800.