SilverWook
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I had that one alien on the Kelvin bridge pegged as CGI, but "she" was actually on the set. Ditto for the barfly sitting between Uhura and Kirk.
Originally Posted by Greg_S_H
She looked like a normal human except for big bug eyes. We're supposed to be concerned about Kirk's mom being in labor and hearing her husband die, and all I could see were those big, ridiculous eyes.
Originally Posted by SilverWook
The guy loses his wife, unborn child, and his whole homeworld in one fell swoop, and blames the Vulcan he thought was going to save them. What's so abstract about that? Maybe they should have left the Klingon prison scenes in..
fair enough, i guess...i didn't care about him at all, either, but i'm not sure why caring about him matters - as far as i can tell, we're not supposed to care about him or relate to him, but only fear his obvious power and even more obvious psychosis.Originally Posted by dpippel
It wasn't abstract at all. It simply wasn't communicated in a compelling or even an interesting way IMO. I'm sorry, but a 30 second scene with Pike that included a few background videos of his wife wasn't enough to supply the emotional weight required to make Nero's emotional torture tangible. I couldn't have cared less about him. He was cardboard.
Originally Posted by john doran
fair enough, i guess...i didn't care about him at all, either, but i'm not sure why caring about him matters - as far as i can tell, we're not supposed to care about him or relate to him, but only fear his obvious power and even more obvious psychosis.
i don't care about hitler in WW2 movies, either, or fiennes' camp commandant (i forget his name) in schindler's list - they just scare me with their willingness to commit acts of such atrocity. like nero. and i've just always figured that's the entire narrative role such villains are written to play.
I own an iPhone, and the "Star Trek - Countdown" Graphic Novel is available for that device in four separate chapters, optimized to take advantage of the iPhone screen. I can tell you that not only does the Graphic Novel completely flesh-out Nero's backstory, but it also provides some decent closure for fans of ST: TNG. The story takes place post-"Nemesis" and does a great job of tying up multiple plot threads that were left dangling from the end of that poorly-constructed movie ...Originally Posted by Nelson Au
The comicbook that came out right before the film establishes who Nero is much better.
Originally Posted by Nelson Au
The comicbook that came out right before the film establishes who Nero is much better.
i think i didn't explain myself very well...Originally Posted by dpippel
You may not care about the individuals but you know what they represent. Hitler's Third Reich and the atrocities they committed are all known quantities. Their evil deeds are well documented and tangible. You walk into Schindler's List very aware of what's going on and what's at stake, and you know what the Nazis are capable of. Nero's character is a complete fabrication and doesn't have the luxury of that historical gravitas. If I don't care about him in some way or buy into his motivations he becomes just another one dimensional character running around blowing stuff up because he's pissed off and is throwing a tantrum. I don't find that the least bit interesting. I'm just saying that in my opinion the filmmakers presented a weak, "been there done that" kind of generic villian. I think that Star Trek would have been a much better film if Nero hadn't been so monochromatic.
Originally Posted by dpippel
[SIZE= larger]You have a different impression and a different definition of acceptable character development. That's fine. But it seems to me that you're spending an awful lot of time trying to point out why you think I'm wrong. I'm not wrong and neither are you. Film interpretation is a very subjective business, and I just happen to have an opinion that doesn't agree with yours.[/SIZE]