I'd like to get an MP3 player - for working out, cycling, hiking, etc. I strongly prefer NOT to get an iPod; I really dislike that when I buy music, I don't actually have the file and I have to be saddled with proprietary formats and interfaces. So I'm looking for another player, and hoping folks here can make recommendations. I'd like a player with the following features: Drag and drop capabilities, for easy file transferrence Playlist capabilities Shuffle Easy to learn/use Durability After reading some reviews on Amazon, I'm looking at the Sony 8 GB player, but the reviews also say you have to download some freeware for good playlist management. If you can't recommend a certain player, pointers to other sites for recommendations would be appreciated. Thanks in advance for any feedback or ideas.