No optical image stabilization.. stabilization will be digital only.. (Engadget)
So, lots of photo people will be lured by a 5S with apparently a still 8 Megapixel camera with a photographic input lens that is significantly smaller then either of it's competitors? That's not a techie issue, that's just a real world issue. If you have a better, wider lens for more optical input and you have optical stabilization.. VS apple, which is giving you digital only stabilization, a smaller lens and less megapixel, do you really think they pull off incredible camera buffs because they can do 120fps in 720p video?My DSLR is the 16ish megapixel full frame D4. There is a reason it has half the pixels of an entry level d3200. Tech heads buy megapixels, photographers buy the best pixels money can buy.
Sam Posten said:iPhone 4,4s and 5 are dead!!!
Forgive my stupidity, Sam...but what is the deeper meaning of these posts?Sam Posten said:iPhone 4S death sentence revoked, $0
Sam Posten said:NFC is dead. Only tech heads want or will use it.
Just a reminder, the iPhone 5 is the most used camera on both Flickr and 500px. Not phone camera, cameras period. I expect it will be quickly eclipsed by the 5c, will be interesting to see if the 5S ranks but I don't think it will be up there. People use GOOD ENOUGH when it is handy. Tech heads have many other choices available to them, but the average person is going to be THRILLED with the new 5S camera if they choose to buy it over the 5C. I think the 5S is going to be niche and 5C mainstream.mattCR said:So, lots of photo people will be lured by a 5S with apparently a still 8 Megapixel camera with a photographic input lens that is significantly smaller then either of it's competitors? That's not a techie issue, that's just a real world issue. If you have a better, wider lens for more optical input and you have optical stabilization.. VS apple, which is giving you digital only stabilization, a smaller lens and less megapixel, do you really think they pull off incredible camera buffs because they can do 120fps in 720p video?
Right, it means nothing to you, only that nobody can buy them any more.Mike Frezon said:Forgive my stupidity, Sam...but what is the deeper meaning of these posts?
I've got a 4S. What does today's announcement mean for me? Or, do your comments just refer to would-be new phone buyers?
Again, it comes back to upgrades on what matters and not just pointless shit that excites tech heads and not the average user.mattCR said:Keep defending the faith Sam. Only every Android and WP and even Blackberry user gets it. And, frankly, once you've used it.. it's pretty awesome. I wouldn't go back to not having it... or wireless charging.. how is it that Nokia and Samsung are both letting their phones charge wirelessly, NFC, better cameras.. Apple roles out a phone upgrade with an 8MP camera with no optical stabilization.... wow.
On the other hand, I guess if Apple just wants to write off the tech heads, maybe that will work for them. They can start just living on brand name and selling to people who 'hear it's good'.
Agreed, but this was expected. Get the mad dash for 20 million iPhones out of the way in mid september and introduce ATV and iPad updates in October / November in time for Holidays.Ronald Epstein said:That's it? No Apple TV software update news?
That is a really short Keynote Event
Sam-Nokia has inbuilt camera that picks the best shots for you in rapid sequence and has for a while and an android app does the sameWe'll judge high quality pixels in a shoot out. But if they show their 8mp with smaller aperture and no optical image stabilization is better then either the galaxy 3 or the Nokia 1020, I'd be shocked. As to NFC, you'd be surprised the ability to instantly send mp3s, data, contacts, photos wirelessly is nice. And being able to charge a phone wirelessly frees me from worrying about a cable. It's not just megapixels, its a camera with fewer features that do matter. Who cares about ten bet shots when you have no optical stabilization and an inferior lens to your competition?MQs!Just a reminder, the iPhone 5 is the most used camera on both Flickr and 500px. Not phone camera, cameras period. I expect it will be quickly eclipsed by the 5c, will be interesting to see if the 5S ranks but I don't think it will be up there. People use GOOD ENOUGH when it is handy. Tech heads have many other choices available to them, but the average person is going to be THRILLED with the new 5S camera if they choose to buy it over the 5C. I think the 5S is going to be niche and 5C mainstream. Right, it means nothing to you, only that nobody can buy them any more.Again, it comes back to upgrades on what matters and not just pointless shit that excites tech heads and not the average user.Natural flash, wide aperture, high quality pixels and software that picks the best of 10 frames for you? Regular people will lose their heads over that.NFC? Regular people will ask "when the hell would I ever use this".You don't need more than 6 megapixels or so to print 16x20. More megapixels gives you more room to crop of course but that means that you are wasting bandwidth and storage space on every picture you never crop. Cropping is a labor of love for photographers that expends time and mental energy. Joe Average isn't going to crop more than a very very small percentage of every shot they take.WARNING. Pogue / Rockwell alert!http://www.kenrockwell.com/tech/mpmyth.htmhttp://www.nytimes.com/2007/02/08/technology/08pogue.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0http://gizmodo.com/5888552/reminder-megapixels-dont-matterhttp://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2011/05/why-weve-reached-the-end-of-the-camera-megapixel-race/http://www.slrlounge.com/the-truth-behind-the-megapixel-mythEdited to add: I expect Apple will eventually add OIS. I will love it when they do. I don't miss it in the meantime because THEY MADE SMART CHOICES to put a wide aperture lens and fat pixels that works great in low light as is. If you have a bunch of megapixels stuffed onto a sensor you NEED OIS (and the energy it burns physically moving the lens around) to make up for that choice.
Two words: Air Drop. No bumping needed.mattCR said:As to NFC, you'd be surprised the ability to instantly send mp3s, data, contacts, photos wirelessly is nice. And being able to charge a phone wirelessly frees me from worrying about a cable.
It's not just megapixels, its a camera with fewer features that do matter. Who cares about ten bet shots when you have no optical stabilization and an inferior lens to your competition?
People love it because they don't compare it, Sam.. they will always like what they own But the iPhone5 camera in comparison to the Galaxy 3 or the Nokia 1020 is just short of junk. I mean, look at almost any image shootout/comparison. And video and picture capture without optical stabilization is terrible... I haven't seen a (real world) test run by anyone reasonable that doesn't conclude this.Sam Posten said:Two words: Air Drop. No bumping needed.
I understand you can get wireless charging adaptors for iPhone with the new jeep I am looking into, I really don't see that as a huge advantage for Android overall tho.
We'll see how the cameras shake out, but tech heads made the same claims about inferiority when the iPhone 5 was announced and they have been eating crow ever since. I wouldn't bet against that happening again.
People genuinely love the iPhone 5 camera and the software that supports it (minus iCloud stream which I agree needs work, we will see what happens and the next iCloud keynote!) There is no need for a regular person to have a 30-40 megapixel camera unless they are going to crop 100% of their pictures. If that's a real use case, go for it. I don't see it tho.
Yeah, no. This is not the purpose of a high MP at all. You don't get 41MP and just have a flat 41MP. Most 24 and 41MP save already as a 10/12MP rate, they use pixel oversampling to verify color and avoid rainbow, as well as to increase light sensitivity. Unlike just boosting MP by just boosting MP, they capture the native output of an optical lens rate in order to get a higher quality source to sample.. FYI, this is the same method that RED and others use in their 4K camera stream systems.People genuinely love the iPhone 5 camera and the software that supports it (minus iCloud stream which I agree needs work, we will see what happens and the next iCloud keynote!) There is no need for a regular person to have a 30-40 megapixel camera unless they are going to crop 100% of their pictures. If that's a real use case, go for it. I don't see it tho.