A few words about…™ La La Land — in 4k UHD Blu-ray & LaLaVision

"Two thumbs way up, and they couldn't possibly be held higher!" 5 Stars

“Here’s to the mess we make…”

I’ll make no bones about it.

La La Land was my Best Picture of 2016, and in my humble opinion, possibly one of the finest uses of cinema thus far in this century.

People seen to either get this film, or they don’t.

I’ve probably seen it a dozen times, and each time I see something new.

The consummate Tracy/Hepburn relationship between Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling;

Difficult musical and dance numbers that can go five minutes without a cut;

Night sequences with a single point of illumination.

Shot on film, and finished as a 2k DI, in the early CinemaScope aspect ratio of 2.55:1

Just grab a copy and this disc, and be enthralled.

Audio is Dolby Atmos…

used delicately, as is HDR. Lionsgate 4k quality all around.

I’m incredibly jealous of those of you who may be seeing this for the first time.

Final word, as my friends, Mssrs Ebert and Siskel would rarely say…

“Two thumbs way up, and they couldn’t possibly be held higher!”

Image – 5

Audio – 5 (Dolby Atmos)

Pass / Fail – Pass

Extremely Highly Recommended!

RAH

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147 Comments

  1. My best film of 2016 also. Saw in the theatres 6 time, 3 times in IMAX. Your right, each time I watched it, I saw or heard something new. I have two blus on order, one for me and another for a close friend that enjoyed the film as much as I did. I can't wait to enjoy this magnificent film again and again. This is what physical media is all about.

  2. Robert Crawford

    I liked this film, but didn't love it. I do have this 4K release on pre-order from Target during their B2G1 free sale so I'll be revisiting it to see if my opinion of it goes up or down.

    How many times have you seen it Robert?

  3. Tino

    How many times have you seen it Robert?

    Only once as I didn't see a need to see it again in a movie theater. I just wasn't a fan like some of you. I enjoyed the human aspect of the film more so than the actual music and dance. TBH, I don't quite understand the love for this film. I'm not saying it's not a good film, but in my opinion, it's not a great film. Perhaps, more viewings of it will change my mind.

  4. Robert Crawford

    Only once as I didn't see a need to see it again in a movie theater. I was just wasn't a fan like some of you. I enjoyed the human aspect of the film more so than the actual music and dance. TBH, I don't quite understand the love for this film. I'm not saying it's not a good film, but in my opinion, it's not a great film. Perhaps, more viewings of it will change my mind.

    From a strictly tech perspective, please revisit the musical number half an hour in. You'll note that it's a single take, one source shadows. And then there's the audition. Please watch, and listen closely. Audio, music, lighting, camera movement.

    Again, single take, where everything, inclusive of Ms Stone's performance must be absolutely perfect.

    With all the craziness in our world today, this film makes me smile for two hours.

    I recall a horror film, in which the main character had a constant rigored smile…

    This is different.

  5. The problem with La la Land is that people saw and liked it, and popularity is, with few exceptions, the kiss of death for Best Picture nominees. Far better to say something capital "S" Significant like Moonlight or last year's Spotlight. It's gotten to the point where almost no one can remember who won. Quick, without looking it up: What was the 2013 Best Picture? 2012? 2011? Any of the three?

    And they wonder why broadcast ratings are down, and the winning films no longer get much of a box office bounce.

  6. I pre-ordered this (in 4k) as soon as it was announced. Easily the picture of the year (and, frankly, in many years) for Peg and I.

    Glad to hear this will be a solid presentation.

    RAH: I was griping after the two times I saw it in the theater that I didn't think much of the lighting of the film. I thought the harsh sunlight in the opening "Another Day of Sun" number caused terrible shadows and that there were other outdoor moments in which the lighting was weak and keeps us from seeing their eyes: for example, the park bench conversation outside the observatory after her big audition in the final third of the film. Any thoughts on these observations of mine? I even thought about the lighting choices in the apartment sequence during the dance of the four roommates in the Someone in the Crowd number.

    This all just struck me as strange since I rarely even think about lighting when I go see a film.

    But setting all that aside, I thought this was a great entertainment…which we will visit over and over during the years to come.

  7. I loved Emma Stone's performance and I also hope to enjoy it with further viewings. I have loved musicals since I was a child, so as Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling rose into the planetarium, I kept thinking – was this "inspired" by Fred Astaire and Vera-Ellen in The Belle Of New York? In the last imagined sequence, I kept thinking well this was clearly inspired by the Judy Garland "Born In A Truck" sequence added into A Star Is Born.

    So I am eager to see this again, even with the limited pleasures of the Oscar-winning score, and just enjoy it as a wonderful new musical.

  8. My least favorite film of 2016. Awful music "City of Stars" , clichéd script, bad singing, and even worse dancing. And I love musicals.
    Totally forgettable.
    Different strokes for different folks.
    Won't be buying this.

  9. Richard M S

    I loved Emma Stone's performance and I also hope to enjoy it with further viewings. I have loved musicals since I was a child, so as Emma Stone and Ryan Gosling rose into the planetarium, I kept thinking – was this "inspired" by Fred Astaire and Vera-Ellen in The Belle Of New York? In the last imagined sequence, I kept thinking well this was clearly inspired by the Judy Garland "Born In A Truck" sequence added into A Star Is Born.

    So I am eager to see this again, even with the limited pleasures of the Oscar-winning score, and just enjoy it as a wonderful new musical.

    The whole thing was derivative. Nothing original and poorly done. Most overrated film since The Artist IMHO.

  10. My favorite film of 2016 too! I preordered the 4K version during Target's bit B2G1 sale. Can't wait for it to get here (two more weeks!!).

    I don't think it is a coincidence that I chose last week to upgrade our Blu-ray player to a 4K model and our A/V receiver to a 4K compatible model. We've had a 75" 4K TV since late 2015. Now we've got the whole 4K enchilada set up in time for the release of LLL on 4K Blu! 🙂

    Mark

  11. noel aguirre

    My least favorite film of 2016. Awful music "City of Stars" , clichéd script, bad singing, and even worse dancing. And I love musicals.
    Totally forgettable.
    Different strokes for different folks.
    Won't be buying this.

    As soon as I saw Mr. Harris's glowing review (it's my fave film of 2016 too), I thought "How long before the naysayers show up?". Of course, we fans are terribly upset that you won't be buying this! We're devastated in fact. But thanks for telling us 🙂

  12. Mark Booth

    My favorite film of 2016 too! I preordered the 4K version during Target's bit B2G1 sale. Can't wait for it to get here (two more weeks!!).

    I don't think it is a coincidence that I chose last week to upgrade our Blu-ray player to a 4K model and our A/V receiver to a 4K compatible model. We've had a 75" 4K TV since late 2015. Now we've got the whole 4K enchilada set up in time for the release of LLL on 4K Blu! 🙂

    Mark

    Which player and receiver did you purchase?

  13. Malcolm R

    Watched this on a recent flight and was in the "liked, but not loved" group. I'll probably pick up the blu at a future sale sometime and watch it again on a bigger screen.

    I can almost guarantee you'll enjoy it much more on big screen without the severe limitations of watching it on a plane.

  14. noel aguirre

    My favorite film of 2016. Terrific music "City of Stars" , original script, wonderful singing, and even better dancing. And I love musicals.
    Totally unforgettable.
    Different strokes for different folks.
    Will be buying this.

    Fixed it for you:D

  15. Tino

    Fixed it for you:D

    Sorry but no need to change my post . You are so wrong.
    It's awful. Rips off "Umbrellas…", 'A Star is Born", 'New York, New York" , "Singing in the Rain"etc etc etc.
    Yet can't even compare to them.
    The standards have fallen so low these days for what passes as quality.
    I just recently watched "It's Always Fair Weather", "The Boy Friend" and "Silk Stockings"- all recenty released on Blu-ray and considered "B' musicals in their day. These are all far superior to this derivative drek.
    Ok all you Los Angeles folk must love it- but no thanks.

  16. Thomas T

    As soon as I saw Mr. Harris's glowing review (it's my fave film of 2016 too), I thought "How long before the naysayers show up?". Of course, we fans are terribly upset that you won't be buying this! We're devastated in fact. But thanks for telling us 🙂

    I'm so happy for you- that you love the score , the leads on-pitch singing and their incredible dancing.
    Enjoy!

  17. noel aguirre

    Sorry but no need to change my post . You are so wrong.
    It's awful. Rips off "Umbrellas…", 'A Star is Born", 'New York, New York" , "Singing in the Rain"etc etc etc.
    Yet can't even compare to them.
    The standards have fallen so low these days for what passes as quality.
    I just recently watched "It's Always Fair Weather", "The Boy Friend" and "Silk Stockings"- all recenty released on Blu-ray and considered "B' musicals in their day. These are all far superior to this derivative drek.
    Ok all you Los Angeles folk must love it- but no thanks.

    It's all very much in the eye (and ear) of the beholder.

    While I find Umbrellas a pretty, and interesting film, I cannot abide the continuous talk-singing of dialogue.

    In LLL, the characters are never set forth as anything but moderately talented folks, trying to make it in a rough world, as their paths collide and move on.

    For me, personally, the film has an enormous underpinning of technical bravura. The major numbers aren't constructed via editorial devices, but rather are planned, and carried out, with either minimal transparent cuts, or non at all.

  18. noel aguirre

    Hopefully he didn't have to use his plane's barf bag.:blink:

    :laugh: No, but I did have to track one down for the lady sitting next to me, though it was not entertainment-related (and fortunately she didn't end up using it in the end).

  19. Robert Crawford

    Which player and receiver did you purchase?

    The Panasonic DMP-UB900 4K Blu-ray player and Pioneer Elite SC-LX801 receiver. We also added a Harmony Elite RF remote and hub to our system.

    One of our investments paid off handsomely, recently! 😉

    Mark

  20. Robert Harris

    It's all very much in the eye (and ear) of the beholder.

    While I find Umbrellas a pretty, and interesting film, I cannot abide the continuous talk-singing of dialogue.

    In LLL, the characters are never set forth as anything but moderately talented folks, trying to make it in a rough world, as their paths collide and move on.

    For me, personally, the film has an enormous underpinning of technical bravura. The major numbers aren't constructed via editorial devices, but rather are planned, and carried out, with either minimal transparent cuts, or non at all.

    In other words it also rips off Touch of Evil and Janet Jackson's When I think of You video.
    Again no thanks.
    A musical should have excellent singing and dancing or else fails which this does- no matter how technically brilliant it is (which technologically speaking these days could be achieved by an iPhone).

  21. Robert Harris

    From a strictly tech perspective, please revisit the musical number half an hour in. You'll note that it's a single take, one source shadows. And then there's the audition. Please watch, and listen closely. Audio, music, lighting, camera movement.

    Again, single take, where everything, inclusive of Ms Stone's performance must be absolutely perfect.

    With all the craziness in our world today, this film makes me smile for two hours.

    I recall a horror film, in which the main character had a constant rigored smile…

    This is different.

    "Mr. Sardonicus", I presume? Or maybe "Ha Ha Land"?

  22. noel aguirre

    A musical should have excellent singing and dancing or else fails

    Clearly you're "old school". Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy may have had perfect singing voices but their films are almost unwatchable today. We've moved beyond stiff and posturing actors with beautiful voices today. We want good actors who can bring an emotional depth to their songs. Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone bring more emotional depth to City Of Stars and Audition than all of Nelson Eddy's bellowing and Kathryn Grayson's high pitched shrieking ever could. You didn't like La La Land, that's cool. But your NON STOP vitriol toward the film on this thread borders on an obsessive mania. We got you the first time. You've made your point. You're not going to change our minds.

  23. Thomas T

    Clearly you're "old school". Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy may have had perfect singing voices but their films are almost unwatchable today. We've moved beyond stiff and posturing actors with beautiful voices today. We want good actors who can bring an emotional depth to their songs. Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone bring more emotional depth to City Of Stars and Audition than all of Nelson Eddy's bellowing and Kathryn Grayson's high pitched shrieking ever could. You didn't like La La Land, that's cool. But your NON STOP vitriol toward the film on this thread borders on an obsessive mania. We got you the first time. You've made your point. You're not going to change our minds.

    Look at the classic musical "Brigadoon". Gene Kelly's singing is terrible, especially compared with various Broadway recordings of the same score. Once you are into the story and he starts to dance, who cares?

    On the other hand, try watching a Jeanette MacDonald/Nelson Eddy musical all the way through, instead of mocking excerpts. What still is evident is that those two were really good together. If you listen to "Indian Love Song" on a recording it is just stupid, but if you watch them perform it, it is funny and charming and they go through a whole range of emotions. They don't just stand there and bellow.

  24. Robert Harris

    . […] Shot on film, and finished as a 2k DI, in the early CinemaScope aspect ratio of 2.55:1 […]

    I wonder how much more expensive it would have been to produce a 4k DI for La La Land.

    Love the aspect ratio.

  25. OliverK

    I wonder how much more expensive it would have been to produce a 4k DI for La La Land.

    Love the aspect ratio.

    Not enough to make a difference. I'd bet that the negative scan was already 4k, which makes it a matter of data wrangling.

  26. Robert Harris

    Not enough to make a difference. I'd bet that the negative scan was already 4k, which makes it a matter of data wrangling.

    Too bad then. Studios seem to be cutting corners as a matter of principle even when the added costs would turn out to be very small.

  27. Tino

    Fixed it for you:D

    I am going to protest this (again). There is very little that annoys me more than habit of people "fixing" other people's posts and especially leaving their name attached to it without a clue what was edited. Disagree with the post is you own space, agree with the post, but don't edit someone else's thoughts.

    As much as I may disagree with those opinions it is blatant disrespect to change those words to your opinon

  28. Thomas T

    Clearly you're "old school". Jeanette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy may have had perfect singing voices but their films are almost unwatchable today. We've moved beyond stiff and posturing actors with beautiful voices today. We want good actors who can bring an emotional depth to their songs. Ryan Gosling and Emma Stone bring more emotional depth to City Of Stars and Audition than all of Nelson Eddy's bellowing and Kathryn Grayson's high pitched shrieking ever could. You didn't like La La Land, that's cool. But your NON STOP vitriol toward the film on this thread borders on an obsessive mania. We got you the first time. You've made your point. You're not going to change our minds.

    Well, we can all pick and choose performers whose style is outdated to make our points, but that is, in my opinion, rather a silly way to do it. So, replace Ms. MacDonald and Mr. Eddy with Mr. Astaire and Ms Garland, or Mr. Kelly and anyone he danced or sang with – you want to talk about emotional depth AND great singing, then talk about Ms. Garland and The Man That Got Away. That number alone puts Ms. Stone's performance, which is fine, in perspective. I'm in LA and it most certainly was not MY favorite film of last year or any year – I enjoyed it for what it was, but I did not find it in any way great – and yes, of course I appreciate the style of it, although as has been pointed out ad nauseum by Noel, that style is completely derivative of other filmmakers, which is fine.

  29. DavidMiller

    I wonder if some of it is the sub-company producing the DI, maybe they haven't invested in the equipment or enough of it. In this case "EFilm".

    EFilm is a quality post house. The thing to keep in mind, is that most theaters are 2k.

  30. Robert Harris

    EFilm is a quality post house. The thing to keep in mind, is that most theaters are 2k.

    That is true too. I didn't mean to imply they didn't I was just throwing it out there. They did Deadpool which was a 4K DI so obviously they do 4K DIs. I did remember reading on another company and they didn't have one 4K DI in the entire list which is where I went that direction.

  31. DavidMiller

    That is true too. I didn't mean to imply they didn't I was just throwing it out there. They did Deadpool which was a 4K DI so obviously they do 4K DIs. I did remember reading on another company and they didn't have one 4K DI in the entire list which is where I went that direction.

    They were actually one of the first.

  32. David Norman

    I am going to protest this (again). There is very little that annoys me more than habit of people "fixing" other people's posts and especially leaving their name attached to it without a clue what was edited. Disagree with the post is you own space, agree with the post, but don't edit someone else's thoughts.

    As much as I may disagree with those opinions it is blatant disrespect to change those words to your opinon

    Point taken. I sincerely apologize if anyone was offended. Obviously it was done in jest but I understand completely. Won't happen again.

  33. Tino

    Point taken. I sincerely apologize if anyone was offended. Obviously it was done in jest but I understand completely. Won't happen again.

    Just a pet peeve even though I did note the smiley. Normally I pass on it, but it's about the 10th time I've seen it today floating around various forums so just the straw — esp since I still see HTF as the last of teh Old School discussion platforms.

  34. David Norman

    Just a pet peeve even though I did note the smiley. Normally I pass on it, but it's about the 10th time I've seen it today floating around various forums so just the straw — esp since I still see HTF as the last of teh Old School discussion platforms.

    I agree but I will say for Tino that there were extenuating circumstances in the form of a certain very persistent poster who was not happy to share his not so high opinion on La La Land in just one or two posts but quite a few more…

    Which by the way is a pet peeve of mine and something that I consider to be in bad taste and the opposite of what one could call old school.

  35. Um sorry but the film did little for me other than I appreciated the long single shot which was well done and a lost art with todays film makers regretfully. Glad it did find a fan base as these films are being made to be seen.:)

  36. Mark:

    Can't thank you enough for posting that link. My wife has never asked more questions about how a particular movie stunt/scene was filmed than she has had about that particular number.

    Moore does a better job with the telestrator than most football analysts on TV today! 😀

    :thumbsup:

  37. Mark Booth

    Happy La La Land Day, everyone!

    La La Land choreographer Mandy Moore gives us the breakdown on shooting the film's opening number, "Another Day of Sun":

    http://www.vanityfair.com/hollywood/2017/04/la-la-land-another-day-of-sun-song-video

    Mark

    Yeah, like Whatever!

    Makes me hate the film even more, 'cause the REAL singers and dancers, Jeanette and Nelson and Fred and Ginger and Gene didn't have all the digital crap.

    Their work was organic. It's stood the test of time.

    This thing?

    Talent always beats technical crap.

    Hidden cuts!?

    Seriously? You can see them a mile away.

    Just…

    Meh…

    I'll take Indian Love Song any day over this crap moderne.

    They had Atmos for "When I'm calling you…"

    And decided they didn't need it.

    Quality, especially boxy and b & w, aces tech out every time.

    Hated this picture.

  38. Why do the lovers of the film feel the need to so strenuously defend it…going so far as to engage in hysterical sarcasm? It's a huge success – negative criticism won't remove one dollar or one award from its coffers.

    I found it to be a marvelous production, technically (but with that kind of budget, there would be no excuse for it not to be), but it left me cold. I didn't care enough about the characters to get engaged with it.

  39. Robert Harris

    Beat the naysayers to it this time!

    Robert, you scared me for a moment… I thought your cup had suddenly changed to half empty! 🙂

    HOORAY… My 4K Blu-ray was just delivered a day earlier than I expected. After lunch, I'm grabbing some popcorn and sitting down to enjoy this superb film in 4K! :banana:

    Mark

  40. Robert Harris

    Beat the naysayers to it this time!

    And I'll even bet those naysayers hated Ryan's Daughter, too;
    now there's a film that's had way too many posts, already.:roll:
    NOTE: This was a self-deprecating post…please, no detour discussions upon that Irish film.
    Henceforth, this is strictly moderated thread in total, if not 99 percent, favor of La-La Land.:)

  41. PMF

    And I'll even bet those naysayers hated Ryan's Daughter, too;
    now there's a film that's had way too many posts, already.:roll:
    NOTE: This was a self-deprecating post…please, no detour discussions upon that Irish film.
    Henceforth, this is strictly moderated thread in total, if not 99 percent, favor of La-La Land.:)

    Total waste of color film.

  42. I loved LA LA LAND … just received my Blu-ray today, so I will pop it in tonight.

    My only complaint is the Special Features (and I've already purchased the iTunes version, which has the exact same bonus features): These were all online when the movie was out. I've seen them all. I suppose it's cool to 'own' them — but it seems like studios are doing the least possible amount of work on Blu-ray bonus features now. It's all studio marketing shorts that have already been online for months now.

    That being said, I'm a HUGE fan of LA LA LAND and it thrilled me in the theater …. Can't wait to see the quality of this Blu-ray!!

  43. Peter Apruzzese

    Why do the lovers of the film feel the need to so strenuously defend it…going so far as to engage in hysterical sarcasm? It's a huge success – negative criticism won't remove one dollar or one award from its coffers.

    I found it to be a marvelous production, technically (but with that kind of budget, there would be no excuse for it not to be), but it left me cold. I didn't care enough about the characters to get engaged with it.

    As someone that liked this film and who just received the 4K/UHD disc that I will be watching in the next 24-48 hours, I'm more bother by the reaction of some of the lovers of this film than those that don't feel that way. It's like they're taking this film's criticism personally as some kind of umbrage to their sensibilities. Just ignore the naysayers of this film and appreciate your enjoyment of this film as that is what really counts towards you personally, not whether some person on the internet doesn't like this film. To each his own!

  44. babsdude

    I loved LA LA LAND … just received my Blu-ray today, so I will pop it in tonight.

    My only complaint is the Special Features (and I've already purchased the iTunes version, which has the exact same bonus features): These were all online when the movie was out. I've seen them all. I suppose it's cool to 'own' them — but it seems like studios are doing the least possible amount of work on Blu-ray bonus features now. It's all studio marketing shorts that have already been online for months now.

    That being said, I'm a HUGE fan of LA LA LAND and it thrilled me in the theater …. Can't wait to see the quality of this Blu-ray!!

    I'm hoping to watch my 4K disc tomorrow as I just received a stack of new discs today.

  45. 4K version watched and thoroughly enjoyed!! I also watched a good portion of the special features.

    Can't wait to share it with friends (most of them haven't seen it yet) in the Booth Bijou Garage Theater on Saturday!

    Mark

  46. I just saw it for the first time….. in HDR & was very impressed with the image. I thought the HDR really made it stand out. Much more than other HDR titles.
    What was also nice was all the special features were included on the 4k disc as well. Not just "movie only".

  47. Wayne_j

    The commentary was available on the iTunes release.

    Yeah. Two weeks ago. It's relatively new and wasn't online when the movie was out, which is what I was referring to. Not all the extras have always been available.

  48. My 4K UHD copy arrived yesterday, and my wife and I watched the film last night — it was the first viewing for either of us. Seeing all the bickering back and forth in this thread makes me a little reluctant to share my opinion, but here it goes.

    My wife and I both are musical fans, but this one fell flat for both of us. I thought the film looked great, but none of the musical numbers were memorable and the performances of the two leads were stiff, IMO. It was difficult to believe that they were falling in love. Maybe with two different talents in the leads this film would have worked better for us. We were a little let down by a movie that won so many awards.

    This will probably be the first UHD title that I end up selling — I only own seven titles in the format right now. If we ever feel the urge to revisit this film again, the UV version should suffice.

  49. Scott Merryfield

    My 4K UHD copy arrived yesterday, and my wife and I watched the film last night — it was the first viewing for either of us. Seeing all the bickering back and forth in this thread makes me a little reluctant to share my opinion, but here it goes.

    Thank you for sharing your film opinion. It is disheartening about the bickering, but I'm hopeful people will stop it and just respect contrary opinions and just leave it at that. If you love the film then just be happy you have a much more enjoyable experience with this film than some other people.

    The way we appreciate and interpret any kind of art form is what makes us humans unique and we should celebrate those differences instead of being defensive about those qualities.

    I'm getting ready to watch my 4K/UHD disc now. I can't wait to revisit this film.

  50. Scott:

    The only thing I'll say based on your reaction is that my wife and I were really unsure what to think about the film after our first viewing. The main issue we had was that after reading so much of the differing opinions ahead of time is that we went in expecting one thing (a traditional Hollywood musical) and got something else. So there was a bit of a disappointment.

    We actually went back to the theater a second time (something we never do) to decide to give it another try and accept it for what it is. And it was like a lightbulb clicked above our heads and we fell heads over in heels in love with the film.

    So, I would suggest that you give it a second chance (with a clean slate) before you jettison that 4k copy.

    It's totally fine with me if you still decide it's not your cup of tea. I'm just sharing our experience. :thumbsup:

  51. Mike,

    Thanks for sharing your perspective and experience with the film. We may give it a second viewing with some friends. My wife and I had a similar experience with about the first 15 minutes of Moulin Rouge the first time we saw it. I was about ready to actually shut off the film when all of a sudden everything clicked for both of us, and it's been a movie we've enjoyed ever since.

    My biggest issues with La La Land were the musical numbers that just didn't click with us and the performances of Stone and Gosling. When we first saw Chicago, I bought the soundtrack immediately after seeing the film, as the songs really caught our fancy — and I almost never buy soundtracks. In contrast, with La La Land, once a number was finished on screen, it was completely gone from my mind, as well. None of the songs stuck with me at all. I am not sure if a second viewing will change those feelings, but the film received enough acclaim that it's probably worth giving it a 2nd chance at some point.

  52. Yeah. I don't want to beat this to death…but your impressions pretty much mirror mine after that first viewing…although I was a bit more taken with the songs–especially the opening number (Another Day of Sun). But I was completely confused as to why they cast Gosling and Stone and how they fell so far short of what I was expecting (Astaire & Eleanor Powell?) and that ending!

    So, after the first viewing I was constantly turning over in my head what I had seen, what I had expected, were my expectations wrong/unfair, and what were the merits of what I had seen.

    I really wanted to see the film again, but as I noted above…this is something my wife and I would NEVER do. It's a rare thing for us to get to the theater for a first viewing these days. We've NEVER gone for a repeat viewing. So I just laid that idea aside…until my wife actually came to me and suggested it! She had been asking herself the same questions as I had been asking myself!

    This film is now turning into one of our absolute favorites. In fact, I predict that after that oddly unsettling first viewing this film is going to turn into another one of our family's all-time favorite films. Oddly, one of our all-time favorites is That Thing You Do (1996). Come to find out that La La Land's director and stars all hold that same film in high, high regard and, in fact, it is one of the reasons Tom Everett Scott was cast as Mia's husband for his appearance at the end of the film.

    I can't wait to hear if your second opinion varies from your first.

  53. I think a lot of the initial negative reaction to La La Land is that many went in with pre-conceived ideas or notions of what the film was going to be. I have a friend who loved Whiplash and disliked La La Land because, well ….. it wasn't Whiplash or anything remotely like it. Lots of fans of musicals went in expecting a traditional movie musical and this wasn't it. Ironically, my brother in law hates musicals but loved La La Land. Go figure! But Mike's switch isn't the first time I've heard. My next door neighbor didn't like La La Land at all. I don't know what prompted her to see it a second time (I think it might have been my enthusiasm for it which she didn't get) but after the second she loved it.

  54. Mike Frezon

    Yeah. I don't want to beat this to death…but your impressions pretty much mirror mine after that first viewing…

    I had the SAME reaction as the two of you! I wanted to love this film when we saw it in the theater and, while I didn't dislike it, it never seemed to completely click for me. People would ask if I liked it and I had to say that I honestly didn't know how I felt about it. I wasn't sure if it was the lousy, too close to the screen seats we had or what, but I WANTED to see the film everybody else saw and fell in love with! A friend of mine (who hadn't seen it) turned to me on Oscar night and said "how are you the only two people on earth who didn't love this movie?" LOL

    I had a comp day yesterday so I was home when the mailman dropped off the blu-ray. I bough tit in hopes that a second (or third) viewing would bring me around. I watched it last night and found a sudden emotional connection to the characters this time that wasn't there before and I was crazy for the musical numbers that I found unmemorable the first time around. In fact I watched it (almost) twice. I get that Ryan Gosling is good looking but (and please don't take my gay card away over this) I can take him or leave him. Miss Stone, on the other hand, is the bee's knees in my book (since EASY A) so the second viewing last night was primarily focused on her contribution. What's more, I plan to watch it again over the next day or two so I think the signs point to me "coming around" on this one, so to speak.

    I'm wondering if this, like CASABLANCA, is a movie that resonates more once you know what's going to happen to the characters. In other words, a movie that gets better with repeated viewing because the choices the characters make have real impact that's only apparent once you know what that impact will be. I have no idea, but I was wiping away tears this time at the "what could have been" montage (TWICE!!) and I didn't on the first go-round.

  55. Mike Frezon

    young Will…

    :laugh:

    BLESS you!

    By the way, I bought the Target exclusive for the third disc which turns out to be a Q&A session with Gosling, Stone, and Chazelle. I can't imagine watching it more than once so if there's a member who feels this is something they'd like to have, they're welcome to it.

  56. Will Krupp

    I had the SAME reaction as the two of you! I wanted to love this film when we saw it in the theater and, while I didn't dislike it, it never seemed to completely click for me. People would ask if I liked it and I had to say that I honestly didn't know how I felt about it. I wasn't sure if it was the lousy, too close to the screen seats we had or what, but I WANTED to see the film everybody else saw and fell in love with! A friend of mine (who hadn't seen it) turned to me on Oscar night and said "how are you the only two people on earth who didn't love this movie?" LOL

    I had a comp day yesterday so I was home when the mailman dropped off the blu-ray. I bough tit in hopes that a second (or third) viewing would bring me around. I watched it last night and found a sudden emotional connection to the characters this time that wasn't there before and I was crazy for the musical numbers that I found unmemorable the first time around. In fact I watched it (almost) twice. I get that Ryan Gosling is good looking but (and please don't take my gay card away over this) I can take him or leave him. Miss Stone, on the other hand, is the bee's knees in my book (since EASY A) so the second viewing last night was primarily focused on her contribution. What's more, I plan to watch it again over the next day or two so I think the signs point to me "coming around" on this one, so to speak.

    I'm wondering if this, like CASABLANCA, is a movie that resonates more once you know what's going to happen to the characters. In other words, a movie that gets better with repeated viewing because the choices the characters make have real impact that's only apparent once you know what that impact will be. I have no idea, but I was wiping away tears this time at the "what could have been" montage (TWICE!!) and I didn't on the first go-round.

    [​IMG]

    Told you so! 🙂

    Mark

  57. Reportedly, the Target-exclusive version of the La La Land Blu-ray includes a DVD containing 30 minutes of additional special features. I believe that it is a 30-minute interview with cast and crew. I have a funny feeling this is the same interview:

    If that's the case (same interview), I don't see the point in opting for the Target-exclusive version because the interview would be on DVD in standard def. The YouTube version is 1080p.

    Can someone verify if it's the same interview?

    Edit: Someone on another forum has made it clear the Target bonus disc contains a completely different interview.

    Mark

  58. I loved it first viewing on a free screener I got as WGA member voter so much I immediately went to the theater and paid to see it on the big screen. I'm a huge fan of musicals, and while I get the criticisms that Gosling and Stone aren't natural singers or dancers… that's entirely the point. This film is deliberately done from a more organic, naturalistic, off-the-street approach to performances and you must appreciate they are sung LIVE on film as you see them, not canned later or singing to a pre-recorded track. That's a seismic difference from most musicals, but it's what gives this a more grounded and everyman appeal.

    Plus the fact that as a working writer in Hollywood married to a struggling actress going on auditions for umpteen years, we LIVED this story (but with a different ending – we sacrificed the unblinking eye for the big lights to move out and stay together… now 28 years).

  59. Mark Booth

    Can someone verify if it's the same interview?

    I have the disc but haven't watched the disc yet, Mark.

    The packaging indicates it's an interview but doesn't mention Gosling or Legend (see red banner on the image of the back cover below):

    [​IMG]

  60. In the interview I linked above, the thing I found most interesting was the changes in wardrobe. Costume designer Mary Zophres points out that the use of colorful clothing reaches a peak at the Griffith Observatory planetarium scene. After that, costumes are toned down for the majority of the remainder of the film (the it-could-have-been daydream sequence being an exception). To be honest, I don't remember outwardly noticing the loss of colorful costumes during my 8 viewings of the film. But I'll sure notice it on the next viewing. 🙂

    It was an intentional choice to influence the audience's mood as the film changes tone. Very interesting!

    Mark

  61. When this film first came out, I made a 75 mile round trip to see it at the nearest theater to me. I couldn't wait until it opened in my city so I made that trip like I've done with countless other films that are slow to open in my city. Anyhow, during the first 15-20 minutes of the film, I wasn't feeling this film. It was after the party scene with Stone's lip-syncing sequence that I started to warm towards the film. As I was walking out of the theater, I thought the film was pretty good, but I didn't love it. I thought the music and dancing wasn't all that. I was more into the story line between the two main characters and how their lives played out.

    Today, I viewed this film again on 4K/UHD disc. This time my enjoyment level with this film was much more as watching and listening to this film in my home theater improved my viewing experience, the music came more alive to me. The dancing was still just alright, but I liked the music a lot more. Again, I loved the story line between the two characters and I really liked the ending of this film. The shared faint smile between those two characters at the end and the nod of the head that Gosling gives to Stone was something that really registered to me.

    My initial film grade for this film was 3.0 out of 5.0. Today, my grade is up to 4.0 with a chance that I'll give it a higher grade once I watch it again with the film commentary. It's a fine film in which my appreciation of it might grow with additional viewings. I hope to get into the bonus material over the next week or so.

  62. It's all in the eye of the beholder. Some of my best friends didn't find it at all appearing, others found it okay. About half loved it.

    To get around preconceptions, I try to not discuss films in advance, and generally don't ready reviews. I much prefer to go in cold.

  63. Anyone else still watching regular old 1080p BDs on a regular, many years old BD player, like me? If so, is the disc taking forever to load? I thought something was wrong with my disc because only a blank screen was showing but, it actually took the disc about 5 minutes to load. I haven't experienced that long of a load time since the very first Samsung BD player was released back during the format wars. Just wondering if I'm alone. My BD player is a Panasonic DMP BDT500 (oh, it loads much, much faster on my PS4 but, still slightly slower then other BDs).

  64. Interesting to see how many people found that it took subsequent viewings to really appreciate the film. I'm glad I went a second time. My first screening, I felt there was a real disconnect between the opening number and the rest of the film. But that screening had horrid sound, and it wasn't until I saw an IMAX presentation with much improved sound that I could actually hear the lyrics to that opening number! (That song sort of encapsulates the whole story.) And, like some others have noted, my initial expectations were at odds with what the film really was. Familiarity with the film made the second screening a much richer experience.

  65. Chris Will

    Anyone else still watching regular old 1080p BDs on a regular, many years old BD player, like me? If so, is the disc taking forever to load? I thought something was wrong with my disc because only a blank screen was showing but, it actually took the disc about 5 minutes to load.

    Do you have BD-Live engaged? Try turning it off.

  66. How about this? I am Canadian and we no longer have Target. On Tuesday morning I called the Target in Cheektowaga New York (about an hour away from me) and asked them if they could put one of their special edition Blu Ray sets aside for me to pick up today as we happen to be in the area. The clerk was very nice, and took my name and said it would be waiting for me at the front of the store.

    Today we went to the Target store, went up to a young man at the counter and asked for the copy of "La La Land" that was put aside for me. He looked completely blank and asked "Is That a Toy?" He absolutely had never heard of the movie! (I began to doubt that he had ever heard of home video!)
    That kind of thing really irritates me and I am afraid that despite my shins getting black and blue from my wife's kicks I got rather nasty.
    I told him it was one of the top movies of the year and asked if he had spent the last 6 months with a paper bag over his head!

    We went to the electronics section told our story and the clerk back there immediately got one for us. He also could not believe that the guy at the front did not know what we were talking about.

    There are a lot of things in this world that hold no interest for me, but there are things like TV news, the radio, the internet and we still get the paper. At least I have usually heard of most things, especially if they mistakenly get called to pick up the best picture oscar!

  67. TJPC

    How about this? I am Canadian and we no longer have Target. On Tuesday morning I called the Target in Cheektowaga New York (about an hour away from me) and asked them if they could put one of their special edition Blu Ray sets aside for me to pick up today as we happen to be in the area. The clerk was very nice, and took my name and said it would be waiting for me at the front of the store.

    Today we went to the Target store, went up to a young man at the counter and asked for the copy of "La La Land" that was put aside for me. He looked completely blank and asked "Is That a Toy?" He absolutely had never heard of the movie! (I began to doubt that he had ever heard of home video!)
    That kind of thing really irritates me and I am afraid that despite my shins getting black and blue from my wife's kicks I got rather nasty.
    I told him it was one of the top movies of the year and asked if he had spent the last 6 months with a paper bag over his head!

    We went to the electronics section told our story and the clerk back there immediately got one for us. He also could not believe that the guy at the front did not know what we were talking about.

    There are a lot of things in this world that hold no interest for me, but there are things like TV news, the radio, the internet and we still get the paper. At least I have usually heard of most things, especially if they mistakenly get called to pick up the best picture oscar!

    Happens quite a bit here in the Colonies. Canada's a much nicer place.

    And you can have penguins as pets…

  68. Robert Harris

    Happens quite a bit here in the Colonies. Canada's a much nicer place.

    And you can have penguins as pets…

    Please! That's Antarctica here we only have Moose, Beaver, and Polar Bears for pets.

    Seriously, I grew up in Windsor, which is actually further south than the northern border of California, and notoriously hot in summer and flat as a pan cake. I had friends who were border guards and at least once a summer a carload of Americans would cross the border with skis on their car and want to know how far to the nearest ski hill.

  69. TJPC

    Please! That's Antarctica here we only have Moose, Beaver, and Polar Bears for pets.

    Seriously, I grew up in Windsor, which is actually further south than the northern border of California, and notoriously hot in summer and flat as a pan cake. I had friends who were border guards and at least once a summer a carload of Americans would cross the border with skis on their car and want to know how far to the nearest ski hill.

    My farthest north friend was born and bred in South Porcupine, Timmons. Tons of friends in Toronto, Gatineau and all points south.

    Love Canada!

  70. My mother was born in Timmons, but I've never been there. It's 500 miles further north than the Toronto area where I live now. Although we live in Canada, we usually spend most of our vacations in the US.
    We are like New Yorkers who never visit the Statue of Liberty!
    Sorry! I did not mean to hijack the La La Land thread! I'll shut up now for a bit!

  71. Listening to the commentary I can't believe they were going to cut the opening number and contemplated it a few times. It sets the tone for the film and I can't imagine it without it.

  72. Robert Crawford

    My initial film grade for this film was 3.0 out of 5.0. Today, my grade is up to 4.0 with a chance that I'll give it a higher grade once I watch it again with the film commentary. It's a fine film in which my appreciation of it might grow with additional viewings. I hope to get into the bonus material over the next week or so.

    I'll be curious to hear your continued comments, Robert, as you plow through the bonus material.

    I've watched a number of them and find them quite enlightening (and fun). Be care, though, with the two song demos sung by Chazelle and Hurwitz! :laugh: (You'll see what I mean!)

    Peg and I started to listen to the commentary track tonight…but while there were the occasional points of interest–especially at the beginning–Chazelle and Hurwitz got a bit too chummy and started talking about "inside baseball" stuff (acquaintances, their college days, etc.) that didn't really apply to what was going on onscreen. About an hour in we both decided we'd had enough. We'll finish it…but it was easy to walk away at the time. Maybe it'll get better.

  73. Chris Will

    Anyone else still watching regular old 1080p BDs on a regular, many years old BD player, like me? If so, is the disc taking forever to load? I thought something was wrong with my disc because only a blank screen was showing but, it actually took the disc about 5 minutes to load. I haven't experienced that long of a load time since the very first Samsung BD player was released back during the format wars. Just wondering if I'm alone. My BD player is a Panasonic DMP BDT500 (oh, it loads much, much faster on my PS4 but, still slightly slower then other BDs).

    I didn't time it but it takes about as long to load for me as a new Disney blu-ray – I'm sure it's a BD-Live issue. It looked for an update on my Sony BDP-X58 and that's not likely to happen …

  74. I loaded the standard Blu-ray in my Panasonic UB900 tonight. It took about 45-60 seconds before I got to trailers. A fair bit slower than the average standard Blu-ray on this player. The 4K disc loads significantly faster.

    FWIW, the 4K version is slightly sharper and slightly more colorful. The difference was easily seen, but not major. Our TV isn't HDR so we aren't getting the full benefit of the format. We'll get a new TV in 2-3 years.

    Mark

  75. Robert Harris

    My farthest north friend was born and bred in South Porcupine, Timmons. Tons of friends in Toronto, Gatineau and all points south.

    Love Canada!

    When I was young I thought that all Canadians spoke French. The nun teachers, my parents and all their relatives talked French. Boy was I wrong!

  76. RolandL

    When I was young I thought that all Canadians spoke French. The nun teachers, my parents and all their relatives talked French. Boy was I wrong!

    This seems to be a common misconception because Quebec (the French speaking province) is the closest province to the New England states, and New York City). Don't forget that during the American revolution about 1/3 of the population of the 13 colonies fled north to Ontario. People love to trace their ancestry here to "The United Empire Loyalists".

  77. For those that don't know, "The Robe" was the first movie that went into production using CinemaScope. It was directed by Henry Koster, the grandfather of HTF Reviewer Kevin Koster. Other notable films directed by Mr. Koster are the following"

    Harvey
    No Highway in the Sky
    The Bishop's Wife
    A Man Called Peter
    The Singing Nun

  78. Robert Crawford

    For those that don't know, "The Robe" was the first movie that went into production using CinemaScope….

    I could be wrong but I don't think the CinemaScope logo was used in The Robe. It just didn't fit with the music that was played over the opening credits. Probably was used for How to Marry a Millionaire, which was completed before The Robe, but released after.

  79. Robert Crawford

    Other notable films directed by Mr. Koster are the following"

    Harvey
    No Highway in the Sky
    The Bishop's Wife
    A Man Called Peter
    The Singing Nun

    Not to mention all of Deanna Durbin's BEST movies!

  80. Very exciting day! We're showing 'Passengers' and 'La La Land' in the Booth Bijou Garage Theater! Of our 20 guests, I think only one couple have seen 'La La Land' and none of them have seen 'Passengers'. Will our guests applaud at the end of each film? Time will tell.

    Mark

  81. Could somebody verify and explain what I am seeing on my copy of the Blu-ray?Before I share, I had opted to compare with another copy first as I didn't want to needlessly exchange it. I saw the same thing on the different copy.

    It is a few minutes before the Epilogue where Gosling is signing papers for his club. When he leaves his piano and walks to the bar to sign, you can see like digital artifacts or errors or something. Appears to affect all copies. What causes these kind of errors? A bad encode or what?

  82. Will Krupp

    BLESS you!

    By the way, I bought the Target exclusive for the third disc which turns out to be a Q&A session with Gosling, Stone, and Chazelle. I can't imagine watching it more than once so if there's a member who feels this is something they'd like to have, they're welcome to it.

    After a few more repeated viewings, you just might change your mind on that one, too.:D

  83. PMF

    After a few more repeated viewings, you just might change your mind on that one, too.:D

    Allen Hollis has already informed me that it's going home with him after he visits Boston/P-Town at the end of this month!!

  84. REAL late to this party. My wife saw it with friends when it came out and loved it (except the ending).

    I watched my BD today and was blown away. Technically a thing of beauty and creatively as well. Still thinking about it..hours later.

    Ranks near the top in the last 5 years for me.

  85. Better late (to the party) than never, Alex. 😀

    My wife and I love La La Land. It has become an absolute favorite (starting to challenge That thing You Do!). We have already watched it numerous times.

  86. Watched La La Land last night, and I liked the picture, but can't say I loved it. It was refreshing to see a film that used long takes for the musical numbers (the leads obviously practiced their dance moves hard and long) with no MTV cutting, but the picture seemed too mannered and afraid to break out in a musical moment despite coming up to the brink a couple of times. The one exception was the opening number, but that was hurt by the balance between orchestra and singers. Many lyrics got lost as singers were overpowered by the orchestra. That balance problem continued throughout the picture (except for the John Legend number). It didn't help that the two leads have small singing voices.

    I liked it, but love it? 'Fraid not.

  87. I had issues with the sound too. I saw it at a very well run "state of the art" theatre and the sound was flat. Music overwhelmed the singing. I heard complaints about the sound from almost everyone I know who saw it. I enjoyed the movie so I got the Blu from the library and we started it last night and the sound was just as bad as at the theatre. Turned it off after the opening number. I had streamed the soundtrack from my library, via Hoopla, a week before it opened and that sounded fine.

  88. I love (big time) the song Another Day of Sun which opens La La Land. But I have to admit I hate the sound mix of the theatrical version of the song. While the song sounds better on the OST, I think it could be better still.

    In fact, my only complaints about the film were the music mix and the lighting (I thought the outdoor scenes were pretty poorly lit–along with some indoor scenes).

    Regardless, the film is now a family favorite which has been watched many times over. There's way too much good which easily outweighs the few things I question.

  89. I finally got around to watching La La Land last night. A few observations:

    It's dazzlingly directed. I can certainly see why he won Best Director from both the Directors' Guild and the Academy.

    I really appreciated the "what if" fantasy at the end of the movie. It made the very bittersweet ending a bit easier to take.

    I enjoyed both leads, but I do wish they had been just a bit more accomplished as singers and dancers. That beautiful song score deserved to be sung by more experienced and talented vocalists.

    Yes, I got all of the "borrowings" from The Young Girls of Rochefort, An American in Paris, The Belle of New York, Lovely to Look At, and yet they were nicely utilized here to enhance certain scenes.

    Kudos for letting the musical numbers be shot with the full figures of the dancers on display and without the frenzied cutting and multiple take manipulation to achieve a complete number that most modern film musicals today now utilize.

    I still think Manchester by the Sea would have been my choice for Best Picture, but I would have put this second.

  90. I'll be curious, Matt, to see if/when you ever give La La Land a second look you will find your appreciation for the film to grow exponentially (like so many of the rest of us). It's almost a "thing!" 😀

  91. Mike Frezon

    I'll be curious, Matt, to see if/when you ever give La La Land a second look you will find your appreciation for the film to grow exponentially (like so many of the rest of us). It's almost a "thing!" 😀

    Oh, it will get multiple views to be sure, and I'll be curious too what things I see on a second, third, or fourth viewing, what I appreciate more or less, and what stands out to me each time I watch. I love doing that will all the films I watch multiple times. The best films always reveal new facets to discover and savor.

  92. They did a great job on that one!

    I recently got a handheld steadicam gimbal for my iPhone and GoPro. Now when I watch scenes like that I too often find myself thinking about how I could recreate the videography with my gimbal. I know they used a crane cam for that sequence in the film, but a steadicam rig could get really close to duplicating it.

    Mark

  93. Right. But with your steadicam you could pull off a LOT of the shots from Another Day of Sun when the dancers are walking directly at you and you're backpedaling!! 😀

    There's a TON of copycat videos on YT I have come to find out!

  94. We watched 'La La Land' for the umpteenth time tonight. But this time the musical score was performed live by the San Diego Symphony while the film was projected behind the orchestra. The San Diego Master Chorale sang the ensemble crowd numbers. Individual singing performances were the original artists. It was fantastic! The pianist's sync with the onscreen playing was perfect.

    [​IMG]

    Mark

  95. I don't really get the overweening love for this flick. I thought it was okay, but pretty well a one watch for me. It probably would have worked better for me if it had been a period piece set when these types of musicals were a big thing. The modern setting didn't do much for me and I've never been much for Hollywood navel gazing. The one interesting thing about this film was how it ended. It was unexpected, considering how everything before it went.

    I might try watching this again sometime as long as it doesn't cost me any money. I wouldn't pay to see this again. As far as modern musicals go, I still prefer "Moulin Rouge".

  96. Tino

    Ya know what I don't get? The "I don't get the overwhelming love for XYZ film".

    Obviously if you had loved it, you would get it. 😉

    Must be something going around. A lot of confusion manifesting itself all of a sudden. 😉

  97. Mark Booth

    It's difficult to take seriously the comments of a person that admitted to sleeping through half the movie. Just sayin'

    Mark

    LOL. I had forgotten that I did do that when I watched it, so you may have a point. On the other hand, I don't fall asleep very often during movies, so the fact I did so may be a statement about the interest that the film ultimately had for me.

    The parts of the film that I did watch were okay to me, but nothing that I would call memorable.

  98. I don't know, if I didn't care for a film or didn't think it was all that, I wouldn't continue to participate in a thread about it. Anyway, maybe, that's just me.:) With that said, Mike Frezon watching this fine film dozens of times in this short period of a time is kind of interesting to say the least.;)

  99. OMG! This again! I am unfollowing this thread, since no one has anything new to say. It is just a pleasant little movie we are all free to like or not, and then move on, not a religion!

  100. Robert Crawford

    With that said, Mike Frezon watching this fine film dozens of times in this short period of a time is kind of interesting to say the least.;)

    And Peg is already saying, "we need to watch that again sometime…"

    TJPC

    It is just a pleasant little movie we are all free to like or not, and then move on, not a religion!

    I dunno. It just might be!

  101. Robert Crawford

    I don't know, if I didn't care for a film or didn't think it was all that, I wouldn't continue to participate in a thread about it. Anyway, maybe, that's just me.:) With that said, Mike Frezon watching this fine film dozens of times in this short period of a time is kind of interesting to say the least.;)

    I don't know about that. Sometimes a person can be interested in talking about a film that doesn't hit on all cylinders with them, especially when it is a film that, for some reason, has people massively loving it. If the only viewpoints that can be expressed are ones of overwhelming positiveness then these threads would get boring fast. With that I'll say I agree that Mike Frezon watching this film dozens of times in a short time frame is interesting, considering my own reaction to it.

    All I can say is "You da man, Mike. You da man". :thumbs-up-smiley:

    And that is not sarcasm. That is real respect for a guy who can appreciate this film that much, regardless of my own lukewarm feelings toward it. Who knows. Maybe I'll try watching the film again sometime soon…..I mean, all of it…..and then I can say, "Mike made me do it". 😉

  102. Edwin-S

    I don't know about that. Sometimes a person can be interested in talking about a film that doesn't hit on all cylinders with them, especially when it is a film that, for some reason, has people massively loving it. If the only viewpoints that can be expressed are ones of overwhelming positiveness then these threads would get boring fast. With that I'll say I agree that Mike Frezon watching this film dozens of times in a short time frame is interesting, considering my own reaction to it.

    I never said anything about only certain viewpoints can be expressed in these threads. I just think participating in a thread about a film I didn't care for like some others isn't a good use of my time. Instead, perhaps to get a better understanding of said film, I should revisit that film again and this time watch it in its entirety, so my viewpoint can be taken seriously by others even if you still don't appreciate the film as MIke and Mark do.

  103. Tino

    And if I recall, Mike didn't immediately love the film.

    Correct. In fact, for both Peg and I, we walked out of the theater after the first showing and were confused about what we had seen. I desperately wanted to see it again but KNEW Peg wouldn't go for that. We NEVER go see a film in the theater a second time. As we kept talking about the film and our thoughts about it, she said that she'd like to go see it again! So we did. And I think that allowed us to set aside our preconceived notions that we were going to see an homage or an attempt to replicate the MGM musicals of the 40s and 50s or the Legrand musicals. We accepted it for what it is and fell in love with it.

    We play the OST in the car often. And have both really appreciated the performances by Gosling (especially Gosling) and Stone. And have gotten to the point where we quote lines from the film by sprinkling them throughout our daily conversations. It has just become THAT KIND OF FILM for us. The only other film that has become so ingrained in our lives was That Thing You Do. We quote lines from that film nearly every day. Again. Not kidding.

    The common denominator between those two films? Thomas Everett Scott (which has a nice…symmetry to it).

    There is no way I'm going to think this film needs to be loved by everyone. That would be foolish. Why should it? But we really enjoy it and find a light sense of humor and touch throughout it that really jibes with our sensibilities.

    I certainly don't think everyone else on the HTF should love That Thing You Do as much as we do.

    But, to each, his/her own.

  104. When I watch a film after it has received so many awards, my expectations are very high. I liked it but I didn't think it was that great. I love musicals and the fact that it was filmed in 2.55 CinemaScope so that was a plus but, the story and characters I just couldn't get into that much.

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