KeithH
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Let me start off by saying, c%ap! I have a Sony STR-V444ES receiver, which I am very happy with, but which only has one set of 5.1-channel inputs. The problem is that I have both a DVD-Audio player and a multi-channel SACD player that require the 5.1-channel inputs. Rather than having to switch six cables every time I want to switch between the two multi-channel formats, I decided to try splitting the 5.1-channel inputs with Monster Y-adapters that sell for $15 each. These Y-adapters, which split one male RCA connector to two female RCA connectors, are generally made for a subwoofer that has left and right outputs and is being connected to a pre-amp with a mono subwoofer input. Anyway, I was hopeful that spending $90 for six of these Y-adapters (one for each 5.1-channel input) would be a nice alternative to replacing my 'V444ES with a new receiver that has two sets of multi-channel inputs.
Unfortunately, it took longer to set up all the cables than it did to realize that the Y-adapters were not suitable for this application. With the multi-channel SACD player off, I played the surround-sound track off the Steely Dan Two Against Nature DVD-Audio disc. The music sounded great, except the volume was greatly reduced by the presence of the Y-adapters. I had to increase the volume on my receiver to -19.0 dB to reach a normal listening volume, whereas I normally listen to music at -40.0 dB on this receiver. I didn't even bother to try a multi-channel SACD. So, the Y-adapters will be returned for a refund.
It would have been nice if a relatively inexpensive solution would have worked. The way I look at it, here are my options in order of increasing cost:
1) Do nothing. While there is no cost involved, I don't like the idea of having to wriggle to the back of my receiver and remove and replace RCA cables each time I want to switch between formats. Getting to the back of my receiver is a bit difficult, and I am concerned about damaging the 5.1-channel inputs by continuing to switch cables back there.
2) Buy cable extenders to facilitate switching cables. A member here stated that Radio Shack Gold Series cable extenders allow him to switch cables without having to mess around with the 5.1-channel inputs directly on the receiver. He also said that these cable extenders do not cause signal degradation and that they are inexpensive. The only drawback, obviously, is that these extenders would still require me to switch cables in going from one format to the other.
3) Buy the Sony TA-P9000ES multi-channel analog pre-amp. As has been discussed here recently, this pre-amp has two sets of multi-channel inputs and retails for $700. Oade Bros. is selling it for $450. However, some here have raised concerns about the ability to integrate the 'P9000ES with a receiver, though Jim Oade says it can be done. Also, some have raised concerns about degradation caused by indirect routing of analog signals. These are worthy concerns to raise.
4) Buy a new receiver. The forthcoming Sony STR-DA3ES and 'DA5ES receivers will have two sets of multi-channel inputs. Oade Bros. is taking pre-orders on the 'DA3ES for $685 ($1000 retail) and on the 'DA5ES for $985 ($1500 retail). I would not pre-order one of these receivers. Rather, I would wait to see them in Tweeter to see how well they are made and would also wait for reviews to see how they stack up against my receiver and other previous ES models.
The Sony STR-DB1070, which is already available, offers two sets of multi-channel inputs at a lower price ($800 at Tweeter), but I don't want to step down from an ES receiver to a DB model. Nothing against DB receivers, as they are very good at their price point, but the forthcoming ES models should be better than the 'DB1070. My 'V444ES is much better than the 'DB930 it replaced.
In all of this, I am looking for an inexpensive method to best accommodate the DVD-Audio and multi-channel SACD players. As I said, I am happy with my receiver, so I don't want to buy a new one simply because I want two sets of multi-channel inputs. That is not a compelling enough reason for me to spend money on a new receiver. Also, I am not interested in DTS-ES, DPL II, DTS-NEO, etc., so I really see no good reason to buy a new receiver. At this point, I will try the Radio Shack Gold Series cable extenders. They are probably the best compromise.
For those of you with both a DVD-Audio player and a multi-channel SACD player, what are you doing or what are you going to do to handle them?
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[Edited last by KeithH on November 12, 2001 at 05:55 AM]
Unfortunately, it took longer to set up all the cables than it did to realize that the Y-adapters were not suitable for this application. With the multi-channel SACD player off, I played the surround-sound track off the Steely Dan Two Against Nature DVD-Audio disc. The music sounded great, except the volume was greatly reduced by the presence of the Y-adapters. I had to increase the volume on my receiver to -19.0 dB to reach a normal listening volume, whereas I normally listen to music at -40.0 dB on this receiver. I didn't even bother to try a multi-channel SACD. So, the Y-adapters will be returned for a refund.
It would have been nice if a relatively inexpensive solution would have worked. The way I look at it, here are my options in order of increasing cost:
1) Do nothing. While there is no cost involved, I don't like the idea of having to wriggle to the back of my receiver and remove and replace RCA cables each time I want to switch between formats. Getting to the back of my receiver is a bit difficult, and I am concerned about damaging the 5.1-channel inputs by continuing to switch cables back there.
2) Buy cable extenders to facilitate switching cables. A member here stated that Radio Shack Gold Series cable extenders allow him to switch cables without having to mess around with the 5.1-channel inputs directly on the receiver. He also said that these cable extenders do not cause signal degradation and that they are inexpensive. The only drawback, obviously, is that these extenders would still require me to switch cables in going from one format to the other.
3) Buy the Sony TA-P9000ES multi-channel analog pre-amp. As has been discussed here recently, this pre-amp has two sets of multi-channel inputs and retails for $700. Oade Bros. is selling it for $450. However, some here have raised concerns about the ability to integrate the 'P9000ES with a receiver, though Jim Oade says it can be done. Also, some have raised concerns about degradation caused by indirect routing of analog signals. These are worthy concerns to raise.
4) Buy a new receiver. The forthcoming Sony STR-DA3ES and 'DA5ES receivers will have two sets of multi-channel inputs. Oade Bros. is taking pre-orders on the 'DA3ES for $685 ($1000 retail) and on the 'DA5ES for $985 ($1500 retail). I would not pre-order one of these receivers. Rather, I would wait to see them in Tweeter to see how well they are made and would also wait for reviews to see how they stack up against my receiver and other previous ES models.
The Sony STR-DB1070, which is already available, offers two sets of multi-channel inputs at a lower price ($800 at Tweeter), but I don't want to step down from an ES receiver to a DB model. Nothing against DB receivers, as they are very good at their price point, but the forthcoming ES models should be better than the 'DB1070. My 'V444ES is much better than the 'DB930 it replaced.
In all of this, I am looking for an inexpensive method to best accommodate the DVD-Audio and multi-channel SACD players. As I said, I am happy with my receiver, so I don't want to buy a new one simply because I want two sets of multi-channel inputs. That is not a compelling enough reason for me to spend money on a new receiver. Also, I am not interested in DTS-ES, DPL II, DTS-NEO, etc., so I really see no good reason to buy a new receiver. At this point, I will try the Radio Shack Gold Series cable extenders. They are probably the best compromise.
For those of you with both a DVD-Audio player and a multi-channel SACD player, what are you doing or what are you going to do to handle them?
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My:
HT Pics ; Equipment List ; DVD Collection ; LD Collection
KeithH: Saving the Home Theater World Before Bedtime
[Edited last by KeithH on November 12, 2001 at 05:55 AM]