Chris PC
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I have had this subwoofer for a year, but usually only use it for movies. For whatever reason, I find that using my front main speakers alone as large tends to give me the best sound for music (not comparing source direct or not, just no subwoofer no matter what with fronts large). I have tried tinkering with the subwoofer placement in order to see how I can get the sound to be better than just using the fronts, but apart from hearing more bass, the sound isn't better. The sound is muddled and just not to my liking. I will continue to test. I put the subwoofer in the corner again, but it sounds worse than where I had it 1/2 way along the wall. I have tried with the 100 hz crossover in the Marantz only. I've tried with the receiver crossover and the subwoofer crossover set at its max of 100 hz. I've tried fronts Large and Sub= Yes but that never sounds "good". I have even tried fronts Large and Sub=Yes with the subwoofer crossover set at 50 hz. I sounds different, but never better. When listening to my fronts alone, I do notice that the sound doesn't go as deep, but I can really hear articulate bass and it sounds good. After listening with the sub and then going without, it sounds really thin, but after I'm adjusted I hear things I couldn't hear with the subwoofer. With my subwoofer in the room, I don't hear much range in the bass notes. I can't find my test tone CD to tinker with placement, but without an EQ, I'm just basically changing placement. How do I set the subwoofer level for my system? I am actually happy with the way the front speakers sound alone, so I'm listening to music that way now and will continue to listen this way, but I wish I could use this subwoofer and take advantage of its potential for deep clean bass.
Would I be better off with a "smaller" subwoofer?
Here is my equipment:
Marantz SR 6200
PSB Image 6T front speakers (9C centre and 2B surrounds not used for stereo listening for the most part)
Mirage BPS-400
Room: 12 feet by 14 feet 4 inches and a drop ceiling of office tiles at 7 feet 1 inch. Real wood ceiling is 1 foot higher. 2 concrete walls and a concrete floor with underpad and carpet. 2 cheap panel walls that don't go up to the ceiling (only to the drop ceiling) which results in hearing bass in the other room, not just bass through a crack under the door or through a wall, but actual bass that sounds like you're in the same room.
Room configuration:
12 foot long wall near entrance has door at right most side (right from the viewpoint of facing into the room) and bed is along same 12 foot wall to the left of the door. opposite 12 foot wall has 32" TV on 45" wide stand and PSB 6T speakers on either side. In the right corner, there is a 32" wide dresser. This will be moved to the right side 14 foot wall which now houses my book/video stand. I will also be moving the TV stand away and using either a table or the subwoofer in its place. In place of the dresser I will put my old vertical stereo stand back into use and even prop it up on a table if need be. The end result will be that I will have lots of flexibility for subwoofer placement. I will be able to put the subwoofer in the left corner (all 3 concrete surfaces (walls and floor)), in the middle under the TV, which is between the two speakers, in the right corner (panel wall and concrete floor and concrete wall, or along the left side concrete wall. I will try to take some pics and post a link somewhere.
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S P..S..P S
S
S
S
__BED_DOOR
Above is an attempt to show my subwoofer placement options. Possible subwoofer placement is shown by the S's and the P's are my front PSB 6T speakers. The periods are just to help format the spacing. Bed and Door are not to scale , as the bed is more or less along the centre of the wall and the door is in the right most corner of the room. So I do have a good degree of flexibility in choosing subwoofer location, but if placed in the corner, there is very little room for adjustment. If the subwoofer is in the corner, I can't have it away from the walls more than 6 inches or so. Placing between the PSB speakers is not an option quite yet, but it will be possible soon, but right now my TV is sitting on top of my 32" wide IKEA TV cabinet. I might build a small table for my TV for now or put the TV on the subwoofer. I want to try it because I suspect it might be one of the best places. Along the centre of the wall and between my PSB 6T's might be the best location. I was planning to get an AE100, so the TV might be going anyways....
OK, so how should I attempt to calibrate this thing? Should I use my test tone CD's to check frequency response again with the subwoofer in different locations? Should I get the response of my front speakers too? Should I place the subwoofer where I sit and walk around to find potential good positions for bass first? What should I do and in what order?
Thanks for any help and advice
Would I be better off with a "smaller" subwoofer?
Here is my equipment:
Marantz SR 6200
PSB Image 6T front speakers (9C centre and 2B surrounds not used for stereo listening for the most part)
Mirage BPS-400
Room: 12 feet by 14 feet 4 inches and a drop ceiling of office tiles at 7 feet 1 inch. Real wood ceiling is 1 foot higher. 2 concrete walls and a concrete floor with underpad and carpet. 2 cheap panel walls that don't go up to the ceiling (only to the drop ceiling) which results in hearing bass in the other room, not just bass through a crack under the door or through a wall, but actual bass that sounds like you're in the same room.
Room configuration:
12 foot long wall near entrance has door at right most side (right from the viewpoint of facing into the room) and bed is along same 12 foot wall to the left of the door. opposite 12 foot wall has 32" TV on 45" wide stand and PSB 6T speakers on either side. In the right corner, there is a 32" wide dresser. This will be moved to the right side 14 foot wall which now houses my book/video stand. I will also be moving the TV stand away and using either a table or the subwoofer in its place. In place of the dresser I will put my old vertical stereo stand back into use and even prop it up on a table if need be. The end result will be that I will have lots of flexibility for subwoofer placement. I will be able to put the subwoofer in the left corner (all 3 concrete surfaces (walls and floor)), in the middle under the TV, which is between the two speakers, in the right corner (panel wall and concrete floor and concrete wall, or along the left side concrete wall. I will try to take some pics and post a link somewhere.
__________
S P..S..P S
S
S
S
__BED_DOOR
Above is an attempt to show my subwoofer placement options. Possible subwoofer placement is shown by the S's and the P's are my front PSB 6T speakers. The periods are just to help format the spacing. Bed and Door are not to scale , as the bed is more or less along the centre of the wall and the door is in the right most corner of the room. So I do have a good degree of flexibility in choosing subwoofer location, but if placed in the corner, there is very little room for adjustment. If the subwoofer is in the corner, I can't have it away from the walls more than 6 inches or so. Placing between the PSB speakers is not an option quite yet, but it will be possible soon, but right now my TV is sitting on top of my 32" wide IKEA TV cabinet. I might build a small table for my TV for now or put the TV on the subwoofer. I want to try it because I suspect it might be one of the best places. Along the centre of the wall and between my PSB 6T's might be the best location. I was planning to get an AE100, so the TV might be going anyways....
OK, so how should I attempt to calibrate this thing? Should I use my test tone CD's to check frequency response again with the subwoofer in different locations? Should I get the response of my front speakers too? Should I place the subwoofer where I sit and walk around to find potential good positions for bass first? What should I do and in what order?
Thanks for any help and advice